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  • I know each sign represents a character of the show but i'm missing a few. The 6 finger hand is obviously the journal author, the pine tree is Dipper because it's on his hat, the star with the eye is Lil' Gideon, the strange symbol above the pine tree is Stan because it's on his fez, i'm not sure but I think the bag of ice is Blendin Blanden because the first time they made contact with him he knocked the bag of ice out of Dippers hands, the ? is Soos because it's on his shirt, the glasses are tricky it's ether sheriff Blubs or the glasses they find on carpet diem, the heart is Robbie because it's on his hoodie, the shooting star is Mabel, and I have no idea about the llama!

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    • I think the ice bag is Wendy. Most important moments in the "dipper and wendy" episodes involve ice, and the amount of time the show has spend developing her character makes me feel like they are in no way done with her

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    • Any ideas about the llama?

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    • I think the llama will be more subtle; maybe someone who is strong. "Llamas are nature's greatest warriors."

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    • The llama is most likely going to be a new character.

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    • I think so too. 

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    • What if the llama is Manly Dan? That would be funny. But its probably unlikely because he doesnt show up much. 

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    • Isn't Manly Dan Wendy's dad? :T

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    • Rekanochi wrote:
      Isn't Manly Dan Wendy's dad? :T

      Yes.

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    • I believe that Past Stan will be brought to the present.

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    • I don't know but I hope we find out soon.

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    • Izunna Nwogbo wrote:
      I think the llama will be more subtle; maybe someone who is strong. "Llamas are nature's greatest warriors."


      Wax Larry King's Head could always be the Llama. Although that might be a stretch

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    • Machocron wrote:
      Izunna Nwogbo wrote:
      I think the llama will be more subtle; maybe someone who is strong. "Llamas are nature's greatest warriors."

      Wax Larry King's Head could always be the Llama. Although that might be a stretch

      Like thinking that Larry King's head is still in the vents? :T

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    • Each section of the circle doesn't resemble one person. Bill cipher said that Dipper represented the pine tree, shooting star and the question mark

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    • Doesn't? What you just said doesn't support the rest of the statement in any way.

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    • Wait... NO. He ment Dipper is pine tree, Mabel shooting star, and Soos is question mark. It's people like you that make me confused ._.

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    • Not sure but I figured the glasses was Stan (notice how they look like his glasses when he was young) and that the symbol that matches his fez encompasses the secret society Stan is involved in but that's just my theory. Glad to see other people agree with the ice bag being related to Wendy. Just wonder how she and Robbie really plays in all this.

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    • Anybody else noticed that in The Gobblewonker, when they're talking ,to Old Man McGucket in the robot, one of the levers in the 'gobblewonker' has an 8 ball on it? Maybe everyone in the secret society has it?

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    • Yeah i have no idea who the llama is!

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    • i'm wondering if the llama doesn't represent a person but maybe an object or maybe a situation. Because the idea of the circle is representing parts of the show, it's just a theory  i've been working on.

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    • My theory:

      Question Mark: Soos

      The Ice bag: Blendin Blandin (Good idea!)

      The Fez Symbol: Stanford Pines

      The Pine Tree: Dipper Pines

      The eye-star: Gideon Gleefull

      Six-Fingered hand: Journal Author

      Llama: Wendy (Her surname Curderoy can be translated into "cotton" and Llamas are sometimes used to get cotton.)

      Shooting Star: Mabel Pines

      Heart: Robbie V.

      Glasses: Stanley Pines (I'm a supporter of the "Grunkle Stan has a twin brother"-theory. If you don't know about it, read it here. It will blow your mind!!!)


      But I I have no idea what this all is supposed to mean. Are these characters chosen to one day stop Bill? But if that's so, why did he spare Dipper, Mabel and Soos? Questions over questions...

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    • I personaly think the ice bag represents Wendy per reasons that were already said here but did you know that each symbols has a rival on their oposite side, like with Dipper and Robbie's symbol. I am guessing the llama might be someone who is yet to be revealed and might be a Wendy's rival? Lol I hope this made sence xD

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    • MilaYin wrote:
      I personaly think the ice bag represents Wendy per reasons that were already said here but did you know that each symbols has a rival on their oposite side, like with Dipper and Robbie's symbol. I am guessing the llama might be someone who is yet to be revealed and might be a Wendy's rival? Lol I hope this made sence xD

      That would mean that Grunkle Stan and Mabel are rivals. I don't think so. That Dipper and Robbie are on contrary sides might just be a coincedence.

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    • Royalschic99 wrote:
      Any ideas about the llama?

      This think the Llama is the head in the vents beause When Mabel asked Dipper about which sweater to use, the head appeared out of now where and told her to wear the Llama swearter

      because it's the head said that Llama's are nature's greatest warriors. That's what I think about the Llama figure.

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    • I agree with you Drace90. I read that Stanley theory a while ago too. :D

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    • honestly, I'm just gonna say that I wish I didn't have a birthmark that resembles one of these symbols...

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    • The theory about stans twin is the best explanation for the glasses. Everybody's theories have valid points.=)

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    • The lama is pasifica it can't be Mabel because the lama on her sweater is facing the other way

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    • I'd like to point out that they put a lot of effort into changing Stan's fez symbol. I'm assuming it's a copyright issue, but anyone have other theories?

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    • Nyanpig wrote:
      The lama is pasifica it can't be Mabel because the lama on her sweater is facing the other way

      Why would it be Pacifca, then? Why not anyone else?


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    • I think the lamma is definetly a new character, not all the characters in the alleged "wheel" were in the beginning of the series

      Conclusion: I was wrong b/c Blendin appeared in the first episode. -3-

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    • Rekanochi wrote:
      Machocron wrote:
      Izunna Nwogbo wrote:
      I think the llama will be more subtle; maybe someone who is strong. "Llamas are nature's greatest warriors."

      Wax Larry King's Head could always be the Llama. Although that might be a stretch
      Like thinking that Larry King's head is still in the vents? :T

      I was hoping the head,Gobblewonker,etc would come back in the finale...........

      1. GIDEONRISESWASSORTOFDISSAPOINTINGALTHOUGHDIPPERFOUGHTAGIANTGIDEONBOTWHO,RETIREDANDISNOWOURBOT....IFYOUREADALLTHATGOONMYPAGEANDWRITE"ILIKETACOSx3"ANDYOU'LLGETACOOKIE!


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    • Royalschic99 wrote:
      I know each sign represents a character of the show but i'm missing a few. The 6 finger hand is obviously the journal author, the pine tree is Dipper because it's on his hat, the star with the eye is Lil' Gideon, the strange symbol above the pine tree is Stan because it's on his fez, i'm not sure but I think the bag of ice is Blendin Blanden because the first time they made contact with him he knocked the bag of ice out of Dippers hands, the ? is Soos because it's on his shirt, the glasses are tricky it's ether sheriff Blubs or the glasses they find on carpet diem, the heart is Robbie because it's on his hoodie, the shooting star is Mabel, and I have no idea about the llama!

      Even if we are right,where would this lead us!? It seems kind of irrelivent...you know......The circle around a minor character that made a small-ish appearance in one episode of a whole season................


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    • Porkchopcreeperz wrote:
      Royalschic99 wrote:
      I know each sign represents a character of the show but i'm missing a few. The 6 finger hand is obviously the journal author, the pine tree is Dipper because it's on his hat, the star with the eye is Lil' Gideon, the strange symbol above the pine tree is Stan because it's on his fez, i'm not sure but I think the bag of ice is Blendin Blanden because the first time they made contact with him he knocked the bag of ice out of Dippers hands, the ? is Soos because it's on his shirt, the glasses are tricky it's ether sheriff Blubs or the glasses they find on carpet diem, the heart is Robbie because it's on his hoodie, the shooting star is Mabel, and I have no idea about the llama!
      Even if we are right,where would this lead us!? It seems kind of irrelivent...you know......The circle around a minor character that made a small-ish appearance in one episode of a whole season................


      Dude, Bill's not minor. He made an appearance and left an impression and a mystery. Heck, I'm even surprised Cipher showed up this soon!

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    • GravityMan wrote:
      Porkchopcreeperz wrote:
      Royalschic99 wrote:
      I know each sign represents a character of the show but i'm missing a few. The 6 finger hand is obviously the journal author, the pine tree is Dipper because it's on his hat, the star with the eye is Lil' Gideon, the strange symbol above the pine tree is Stan because it's on his fez, i'm not sure but I think the bag of ice is Blendin Blanden because the first time they made contact with him he knocked the bag of ice out of Dippers hands, the ? is Soos because it's on his shirt, the glasses are tricky it's ether sheriff Blubs or the glasses they find on carpet diem, the heart is Robbie because it's on his hoodie, the shooting star is Mabel, and I have no idea about the llama!
      Even if we are right,where would this lead us!? It seems kind of irrelivent...you know......The circle around a minor character that made a small-ish appearance in one episode of a whole season................


      Dude, Bill's not minor. He made an appearance and left an impression and a mystery. Heck, I'm even surprised Cipher showed up this soon!

      But he only appears in 1 episode, Even Sherrif Blubs has appeared more!

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    • Correction, Bill cipher has appeared in almost every episode, not including the opening credits

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    • Mf99k wrote:
      I'd like to point out that they put a lot of effort into changing Stan's fez symbol. I'm assuming it's a copyright issue, but anyone have other theories?

      If that was the reason, they would go back and edit the first 13 episodes so the fez simbol doesn't appear. 

      And the llama is probably Larry King, for reasons already stated.

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    • I agree, it's just that they edited the opening sequence as well and removed the flashing page from the opening too. Not to mention that they changed the symbol on the wheel too

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    • maybe we're becoming too obsesed and its really something dumb like, what if Alex didnt likethe symbol?

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    • They worked to hard on it for that to be the reason. Again, most likely reason is copyright or explicit issues since the symbol was blocked out of Gravity Falls in some countries.

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    • GravityFallsGeek wrote:
      Anybody else noticed that in The Gobblewonker, when they're talking ,to Old Man McGucket in the robot, one of the levers in the 'gobblewonker' has an 8 ball on it? Maybe everyone in the secret society has it?


      hmm the 8ball lever in the gobblewonker robot and the eight ball on stan's can and the eightball moon in stan's mindscape plus i agree with the stan twin theory

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    • All I have learned is that Stan is the devil or has "sold his soul" to the devil. PROOFS 1)after learning about illuminati and the frequent use of the triangle with the eye it is about selling your soul to the devil for money. we all know that Stan is VERY greedy. 2) On his licence plate it once read "el diablo" which is Spanish for devil. 3) one episode (I forgot) on the tv is showed a picture of Stan as a devil. Stan replied "that picture is taken out of context.

      I am pretty sure Stan is the devil

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    • El Diablo is the model of car.

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    • Iacoucci77 wrote:
      All I have learned is that Stan is the devil or has "sold his soul" to the devil.

      PROOFS 1)after learning about illuminati and the frequent use of the triangle with the eye it is about selling your soul to the devil for money. we all know that Stan is VERY greedy. 2) On his licence plate it once read "el diablo" which is Spanish for devil. 3) one episode (I forgot) on the tv is showed a picture of Stan as a devil. Stan replied "that picture is taken out of context.

      I am pretty sure Stan is the devil

      Stan is the devil? XD

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    • Also, the All-seeing-eye can represent God OR the Devil. Not sure how that works but it's true.

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    • Mf99k wrote:
      Also, the All-seeing-eye can represent God OR the Devil. Not sure how that works but it's true.

      Very true!

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    • Mf99k wrote: El Diablo is the model of car.

      True I messed up

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    • Iacoucci77 wrote:

      GravityFalls4Ever wrote:

      Iacoucci77 wrote:
      All I have learned is that Stan is the devil or has "sold his soul" to the devil.

      PROOFS 1)after learning about illuminati and the frequent use of the triangle with the eye it is about selling your soul to the devil for money. we all know that Stan is VERY greedy. 2) On his licence plate it once read "el diablo" which is Spanish for devil. 3) one episode (I forgot) on the tv is showed a picture of Stan as a devil. Stan replied "that picture is taken out of context.

      I am pretty sure Stan is the devil

      Stan is the devil? XD

      I also forgot how there are many symbols of fire and the devil everywhere. (The devils symbols look like the Jewish Star of David) and STAN is one letter away from SATAN

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    • you mean the alchemy symbols for air, earth, fire, water etc?

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    • Royalschic99 wrote: Any ideas about the llama?

      It might be Pacifica, because the Northwests did turn out to be waste shoveling idiot, but you dont know what animal...

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    • what?

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    • Mf99k wrote: what?

      If you were talking to me, they shoveled out animal waste, and it could have been for llamas

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    • Or horses. Most likely horses. Or unicorns! In Gravity Falls, anything is possible! :D

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    • GravityFalls4Ever wrote: Or horses. Most likely horses. Or unicorns! In Gravity Falls, anything is possible! :D

      I suppose

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    • The llama could be a character we have seen but didn't realize we saw. Has anyone else heard of the "Lebam" theory? She's supposedly a mirror doppelganger of Mabel created by Gideon during "The Hand that Rocks the Mabel." If she exists, she explains the newspaper picture of Mabel in a blank sweater walking with Gideon (we never saw Mabel spend any time with Gideon in such a sweater), the blank sweater seen draped over a crate in the warehouse when Dipper enters, and a few odd things in later episodes (like the bottles from Mermando that say "Lebam").

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    • Haven't heard of that theory but don't really think that's a thing

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    • There are several videos on YouTube by "The Sqoou" that give clips and evidence for the theory. It seems possible to me.

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    • Of course it's possible, it's just a bit unlikely

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    • I have to agree with Mf here .  The theory has some holes in it  . Let me ask lemongrab if holes are okay . 

      Me : Lemongrab are you okay with holes in theories . 

      Lemongrab : Holes are UNACEPTABLEEEEEEEEEEEE ! 

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    • Then it's only fair to examine the "holes" in "The Hand the Rocks the Mabel" without a double.

      1) When did Gideon have the chance to be seen with Mabel when she was wearing a plain sweater? The only two sweaters she wore around him at that point were the llama hair and the cat-face sweaters.

      2) What was a plain sweater doing on a crate in his warehouse? If it was a gift for Mabel or from Mabel it wouldn't have been left around so casually. It's nothing like what he wears and it has no Gideon logo, so it's not just a piece of his merchandise.

      3) How did Mabel know where to go to rescue Dipper? When she wanted to break up with Gideon she might have assumed he would be at home around 7:00pm, not at his warehouse. Someone may have communicated with her.

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    • obviously time passes between scenes, Gideon may have stolen or traded sweaters with Mabel while she was getting a "makeover" and the someone who might have comunicated with her most likely wasn't actually her dopleganger.

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    • Thanks for looking at this Mf99k. We seem to agree that the episode has some mysteries that could be explained better.

      Given the shaky nature of Mabel's feelings on the day of the makeover, and that she reluctantly agreed to just one date, I have hard time seeing her doing more to encourage Gideon, like trading sweaters and walking around town with him. And if Gideon managed to steal a sweater from Mabel, wouldn't he put it into a shrine along with his photos, instead of throwing it on a box in his warehouse?

      The episode seems ripe for a reinterpretation to me. When you add in the reversed llama symbol on the ring, things start to look fishy. Pacifica? She hates funny animals on sweaters, so it doesn't seem like it could be her. A new character we've never met? Then why the sweater in the mirror in the previous episode, recommended by the evil Larry King head? Why introduce the symbol now at all?

      One more thought. I said that someone could have communicated with Mabel, possibly Lebam. What if it was more than that? We see Mabel go off-screen, having decided what she's going to do (but not saying exactly what or when). Enter someone who looks like her on a bicycle, heading out to exactly the right place to save Dipper's life. That person knew to get in close to nab the amulet, exactly how to use it for flight and telekinesis, and exactly how to destroy it. She was confident enough to throw it right at Gideon's feet. So, was it Mabel who saved Dipper, or Lebam?

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    • It was probably Mabel . I have no evidence , But Mabel . 

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    • RockSunner wrote:
      Then it's only fair to examine the "holes" in "The Hand the Rocks the Mabel" without a double.

      1) When did Gideon have the chance to be seen with Mabel when she was wearing a plain sweater? The only two sweaters she wore around him at that point were the llama hair and the cat-face sweaters.

      2) What was a plain sweater doing on a crate in his warehouse? If it was a gift for Mabel or from Mabel it wouldn't have been left around so casually. It's nothing like what he wears and it has no Gideon logo, so it's not just a piece of his merchandise.

      3) How did Mabel know where to go to rescue Dipper? When she wanted to break up with Gideon she might have assumed he would be at home around 7:00pm, not at his warehouse. Someone may have communicated with her.

      1.That's easy. This was a scene we didn't see.

      2. Gideon has a mom who could have left it around.

      3. Dipper probably said where he was going when he left so that everyone knew when he would be back.

      But I still like your theory.

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    • Olssonk wrote: 1.That's easy. This was a scene we didn't see.

      Possible, but Mabel's motivation to do that scene is weak. She promised only one more date. Why let Gideon drag her around somewhere in town in between? Doesn't that count as another date?

      2. Gideon has a mom who could have left it around.

      Seriously? All she can do is "just keep vacuuming."

      3. Dipper probably said where he was going when he left so that everyone knew when he would be back.

      He might have told someone, but Mabel's conversation with Wendy suggests she's clueless and not expecting to have to rescue Dipper.

      "I don't know what's wrong with me. I thought everything was back to normal, but I still feel all gross... Maybe letting Dipper do it for me was a mistake. Gideon deserves an honest break up."

      Not "I recognize that address Dipper gave us. It's Gideon's warehouse! He may be in danger, so I'd better go help him."

      But I still like your theory.

      If you'd like to see the theory built up into a story, check out "The Life of Lebam" on fanfiction.net.

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    • ...when was there ever a magic mirror? Plot incongruencies aside


      Edit: watched the videos and believe the theory less now

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    • I believe the llama is a new character from the show IF it is not allowed to have two symbols representing a character.

      The glasses? I think that Stan will meet either from his portal:

      • Himself from another dimension. He would be in a different form.
      • Himself younger. We saw that he (looked like) was using the same glasses in one episode.
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    • Mf99k wrote: ...when was there ever a magic mirror? Plot incongruencies aside

      I'm sure you saw the large oval mirror in Gideon's dressing room where Mabel got a makeover, the room with the pentagram and other symbols on the ceiling.

      There's also the fez symbol that doesn't reverse in the mirror when Mabel (or Lebam?) wears it in "Boss Mabel".

      I see that Stan's tattoo symbol (fully seen on the side of the machine in "Gideon Rises") is mirror-symmetric. (This is a bit far-fetched as a Lebam clue, of course).

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    • The llama is prolly Mabel's secret twin, if you watch "the deep end" on of the bottles says Lebam, in stead of Mabel, in Boyz Crazy, mables friends say to let the boys go,Mabel says no, because they are asleep,and they still run up, Mabel just stays down stairs disappointed, odviouly knowing it would make Lebam mad, and then " Mabel" just shows up, and they were odviously trying to make it cartoonish. But, the lama represents Lebam(Mabel's twin/doppelgänger)

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    • Also, in the episode where they introduce lil' Gideon( the hand that rocks the Mabel), Mabel seems to have apwriting on her right hand,mand later,while she's fighting Gideon, she seems to have writing only on her left hand, odviously Lebam

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    • SonnyMooreLover wrote: Also, in the episode where they introduce lil' Gideon( the hand that rocks the Mabel), Mabel seems to have apwriting on her right hand,mand later,while she's fighting Gideon, she seems to have writing only on her left hand, odviously Lebam

      I don't think that's writing. There's a line on her palm in some images, but I think it's just a shape line, to add definition to the shape of her hand. The clues that it's Lebam are more subtle, like the knowledge she demonstrated of where to find Gideon and Dipper.

      She also didn't seem surprised that Gideon had magic powers -- she didn't waste any time discussing them when she entered. She grabbed the amulet in her left hand and made an accurate toss to Dipper using that hand. (She later grabbed the amulet with her right hand when it landed closest to that side, and she had seen that Gideon used his right hand when activating its power).

      Hands used (there's a Lebam or Mabel's ambidextrous): 1) Throws pine cones with right arm in "The Inconveniencing". Writes with right hand. 2) Writes with left hand in "Boss Mabel" 3) Throws calendar with right arm in "Boyz Crazy" 4) Sprays silly string and throws confetti with right hand in "Double Dipper" 5) Throws squeaky toy at "That Thing" with left hand (her right is occupied with the camera), and misses badly.

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    • SonnyMooreLover wrote: The llama is prolly Mabel's secret twin, if you watch "the deep end" on of the bottles says Lebam, in stead of Mabel, in Boyz Crazy, mables friends say to let the boys go,Mabel says no, because they are asleep,and they still run up, Mabel just stays down stairs disappointed, odviouly knowing it would make Lebam mad, and then " Mabel" just shows up, and they were odviously trying to make it cartoonish. But, the lama represents Lebam(Mabel's twin/doppelgänger)

      I think those are both excellent clues, but apparently they didn't impress Mf99k. I would like to hear other explanations for how Mabel got up there in front of Grenda and Candy, when there only seems to be one set of stairs to the attic.

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    • I know i'm kinda being too harsh here but why would Gideon be so desperate to have Mabel if he had a clone of her? Also the mirror reflection was clearly a production error

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    • Mf99k wrote: I know i'm kinda being too harsh here but why would Gideon be so desperate to have Mabel if he had a clone of her? Also the mirror reflection was clearly a production error

      I don't think he'd be satisfied with a clone. She would always be second best in his mind. It would be a matter of pride to get the real thing, and has arrogant pride in spades. As Gaston said in Beauty and the Beast, "Don't I deserve the best?"

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    • fair point, but this theory relies too heavily on production errors in my opinion. besides, where would an extra Mabel be able to fit an extra room-ful of sweaters

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    • Mf99k wrote: fair point, but this theory relies too heavily on production errors in my opinion. besides, where would an extra Mabel be able to fit an extra room-ful of sweaters

      The problem with a show that plants devious hidden clues everywhere is that every mistake will be pounced on as a clue. And some of them may in fact be clues. Who's to say? There's very little evidence for Stanford's twin, Stanley, that can't be put down to production errors. The presence or absence of a chin dimple, different eyeglass styles, and an odd spelling of a name on a vanity plate... all could be production errors.

      The sweater issue is a weakness of the theory, I allow. We know that Mabel knits at least some of her own sweaters. Sharing a life would allow plenty of extra time for knitting for whichever one is in stand-by mode. For some of Mabel's favorites she must already have duplicates on hand. In the Pig Dance Party, one sweater gets completely soiled with melted purple Popsicles, but the dance continues moments later with a clean copy. I won't worry too much about storage space, since they keep finding secret rooms in the Mystery Shack.

      Probably I shouldn't have to address this at all. Mabel has toony costume-changing powers (the sweater over a sweater changes her hair-band and skirt colors as well in "Fight Fighter", and unlimited sweater-over-sweater action in that short Disney Channel spot). If Mabel can do this with no questions asked, her clone can, too.

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    • RockSunner wrote:

      Olssonk wrote: 1.That's easy. This was a scene we didn't see.

      Possible, but Mabel's motivation to do that scene is weak. She promised only one more date. Why let Gideon drag her around somewhere in town in between? Doesn't that count as another date?


      2. Gideon has a mom who could have left it around.

      Seriously? All she can do is "just keep vacuuming."


      3. Dipper probably said where he was going when he left so that everyone knew when he would be back.

      He might have told someone, but Mabel's conversation with Wendy suggests she's clueless and not expecting to have to rescue Dipper.

      "I don't know what's wrong with me. I thought everything was back to normal, but I still feel all gross... Maybe letting Dipper do it for me was a mistake. Gideon deserves an honest break up."

      Not "I recognize that address Dipper gave us. It's Gideon's warehouse! He may be in danger, so I'd better go help him."


      But I still like your theory.

      If you'd like to see the theory built up into a story, check out "The Life of Lebam" on fanfiction.net.

      I got about 5 lines into that story and couldn't go any longer. Also, how do you break up my quote into different lines?

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    • Olssonk wrote: I got about 5 lines into that story and couldn't go any longer. Also, how do you break up my quote into different lines?

      Sorry you didn't like the story. To divide quotes, I just copy and paste the "div" blocks around them.

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    • One more thing on the reflection of the fez being just a production error. The "Boss Mabel" episode is the last time we see that particular fez symbol. The reflection mismatch might have some plot significance, especially if the change is supernatural. It changed on the bobble-heads, on Wax Stan, and even in Book 2. There's another old document around with the symbol in the old form (seen only in the end credits single-frame image, and among the "lots of things" that Bill knows).

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    • Considering how much effort they went into to change the fez symbol, it's most likely a copyright issue or some sort of alternate reality thing since the first episode the fez changes is in bottomless pit when they go through a wormhole. 

      um, I have more to say on the fez thing but I'd rather not say in public where people will send me a link to the insanity hotline again...

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    • Mf99k wrote:
      Considering how much effort they went into to change the fez symbol, it's most likely a copyright issue or some sort of alternate reality thing since the first episode the fez changes is in bottomless pit when they go through a wormhole. 

      um, I have more to say on the fez thing but I'd rather not say in public where people will send me a link to the insanity hotline again...

      Why does everyone think this? If this was true, they would go back and edit the fez symbol out of the earlier episode reruns. More likely, Alex Hirsch is trying to make us think it's a copyright issue, but it has some significance in-universe.

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    • I think there's multiple reasons for it.....

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    • Mf99k wrote: I think there's multiple reasons for it.....

      On the Mystery Shack forum, a viewer from Italy wrote in to say that the series in his country has a completely blank fez until the "Bottomless Pit" episode, and then it suddenly gets the new symbol. This is in line with the images in "Dreamscaperers," where the old symbol has disappeared from Stan's memories. This suggests a copyright or other symbol problem, but there could also be plot purposes in play here.

      If true, it also means that the reflection mismatch in "Boss Mabel" is going away, so I shouldn't pin too much on that.

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    • RockSunner wrote:

      Mf99k wrote: I think there's multiple reasons for it.....

      On the Mystery Shack forum, a viewer from Italy wrote in to say that the series in his country has a completely blank fez until the "Bottomless Pit" episode, and then it suddenly gets the new symbol. This is in line with the images in "Dreamscaperers," where the old symbol has disappeared from Stan's memories. This suggests a copyright or other symbol problem, but there could also be plot purposes in play here.

      If true, it also means that the reflection mismatch in "Boss Mabel" is going away, so I shouldn't pin too much on that.

      Okay, so maybe there was something wrong with the symbol in those countries, and AH changed it so it could appear in those countries, but the symbol was fine in America, so they didn;t need to change the reruns? 

      I still think there is some significance in-universe.

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    • The "Mabel's Guide to Life" videos are packed with indications of Lebam, but none more convincing than this one I just found, I think.

      At about 0:44 on "Mabel's Guide to Fashion," Mabel addresses the person with the camera, "Get close, Leeb."

      Leeb sound like a nickname for Lebam to me. Who else could it be?

      (I've also heard versions that sound more like "Get close, Mabel." Either way, a major give-away.)

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    • RockSunner wrote:

      At about 0:44 on "Mabel's Guide to Fashion," Mabel addresses the person with the camera, "Get close, Leeb."

      Leeb sound like a nickname for Lebam to me. Who else could it be?

      "Guess what, it's Mabel."

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    • I support the Stan's twin theory, so I beleive the glasses is the twin; I think the llama is Pacifica because... well... she's kinda aggressive, and I beleive ice bag is Wendy or Blandin. 

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    • I don't really agree with the pacifica theory but I do think the icebag is wendy since the ice normally had something to do with her or her friends

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    • Mf99k wrote: I don't really agree with the pacifica theory but I do think the icebag is wendy since the ice normally had something to do with her or her friends

      Agree on the ice/Wendy connection. She also has a private break space with a cooler, presumably with ice in it, that she visits every working day.

      After working through a "The Life of Lebam" story on fanfiction.net, in which I gave Lebam all possible scenes that she could possibly have stolen from Mabel, I'm concerned that fans would feel cheated and confused if all those retcons happened in the series for real. I am leaning toward the idea that a mirror doppelganger will exist second season, that she will be connected to the mirrored sweater scene and the llama on the wheel, but she has never stolen a scene from Mabel (only a newspaper photo appearance, perhaps). She might possibly be evil, love Gideon, and try to replace the real Mabel, as a true opposite doppelganger should.

      (That said, I like how the character came together in the story and I really wish the second season would portray Lebam like that).

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    • Here are some images of the blank sweater in Gideon's factory warehouse. This object may be a clue that Lebam was present there at one time. It appears to be a long-sleeved turtle-neck sweater of a gray or light blue color. It is somewhat similar to the one in the newspaper photo and on the fan magazine cover in "The Hand That Rocks the Mabel."

      S1e4 Blank sweater

      First shot of sweater

      (Second shot of sweater pointed to an image removed without my permission).

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    • RockSunner wrote:

      Mf99k wrote: I don't really agree with the pacifica theory but I do think the icebag is wendy since the ice normally had something to do with her or her friends

      Agree on the ice/Wendy connection. She also has a private break space with a cooler, presumably with ice in it, that she visits every working day.

      After working through a "The Life of Lebam" story on fanfiction.net, in which I gave Lebam all possible scenes that she could possibly have stolen from Mabel, I'm concerned that fans would feel cheated and confused if all those retcons happened in the series for real. I am leaning toward the idea that a mirror doppelganger will exist second season, that she will be connected to the mirrored sweater scene and the llama on the wheel, but she has never stolen a scene from Mabel (only a newspaper photo appearance, perhaps). She might possibly be evil, love Gideon, and try to replace the real Mabel, as a true opposite doppelganger should.

      (That said, I like how the character came together in the story and I really wish the second season would portray Lebam like that).

      Are you the author of the Life of Lebam stories? Because even though I don't agree with the theory, those are written really well...

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    • Olssonk wrote: Are you the author of the Life of Lebam stories? Because even though I don't agree with the theory, those are written eally well...

      Yes, I wrote the stories. Thank you. :)

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    • Royalschic99 wrote:
      Any ideas about the llama?

      Well, if anyone noticed, the lhama is on Mabel's sweater

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    • RockSunner wrote:
      The llama could be a character we have seen but didn't realize we saw. Has anyone else heard of the "Lebam" theory? She's supposedly a mirror doppelganger of Mabel created by Gideon during "The Hand that Rocks the Mabel." If she exists, she explains the newspaper picture of Mabel in a blank sweater walking with Gideon (we never saw Mabel spend any time with Gideon in such a sweater), the blank sweater seen draped over a crate in the warehouse when Dipper enters, and a few odd things in later episodes (like the bottles from Mermando that say "Lebam").

      Many people say Lebam is Mabel's identical twin, and that she will show up in season 2. The lhama could be her, because Mabel owns a sweater with the same pattern.

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    • Centernova wrote:

      Many people say Lebam is Mabel's identical twin, and that she will show up in season 2. The lhama could be her, because Mabel owns a sweater with the same pattern.

      Yes, and the llama is facing backwards from one on Mabel's sweater, which suggests a magical mirror clone. I think she is very likely to show up in season 2. She may have even had some live screen time in season 1 (rescuing Dipper from Gideon) but that's a lot more controversial as a theory.

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    • now pplz , don't milk the joy out of something you don't even have yet . 

      Emalene is Lumping awesome! And I guess you are , too . http://gravityfalls.wikia.com/wiki/User:Emalene 01:37, March 6, 2014 (UTC)

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    • ok heres what I have: heart:robbie, ice:wendy, hand:the journal author, question mark:soos, fez sign:stan(stanford), the glasses:might be stanford's supposed twin stanley, lhama:maybe lebam, the star:obviously mabel, and the pine tree:dipper

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    • Centernova wrote: what if the lhama is actually wax larry king and he returns in season 2?!

      He seems too minor to return. Also, it got very hot in the house during "The Deep End" and we saw Wax Stan melt. Wax Larry probably melted too.

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    • Maybe the llama is new character. AH said he would add one in S2... If it is, it's probably someone who has something to do with Mabel.

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    • Mr B Natural wrote: Maybe the llama is new character. AH said he would add one in S2... If it is, it's probably someone who has something to do with Mabel.

      Yes, and I'm holding out for the possibility that the new character will be Lebam.

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    • Or Maybe , it's Jason the genius . Alex posted a new character design on his twitter . IT may be the new character ! 

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    • RockSunner wrote:

      Mr B Natural wrote: Maybe the llama is new character. AH said he would add one in S2... If it is, it's probably someone who has something to do with Mabel.

      Yes, and I'm holding out for the possibility that the new character will be Lebam.

      GO LEBAM!

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    • Alex implied a probably not

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    • Mf99k wrote: Alex implied a probably not

      Probably not what?

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    • he implied that the new character (if there is one) would have new personalities. An extra Mabel wouldn't provide any extra personality

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    • Mf99k wrote: he implied that the new character (if there is one) would have new personalities. An extra Mabel wouldn't provide any extra personality

      I'd like to see the source. Is there a tweet or interview we could look at?

      An extra EvilDoppelganger!Mabel would provide an interesting new villain. She might want revenge for Gideon going to jail, for example.

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    • two new female villains wouldn't work. I know as a fact we're getting a new female villain with a different voice actor (which WAS mentioned in one of alex's tweets) as for the interview about more personalities, I'll have to find it and it was about an hour long

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    • cotton is from plants....

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    • Mf99k wrote: two new female villains wouldn't work. I know as a fact we're getting a new female villain with a different voice actor (which WAS mentioned in one of alex's tweets) as for the interview about more personalities, I'll have to find it and it was about an hour long

      I found one twitter about Peter Serafinowicz doing a villain voice. (He's a male voice actor, which wouldn't prevent him from voicing a female character, but who knows?) If Lebam is a new villain, why shouldn't she have a new voice actor? It would allow the characters to be distinguished, since they would look identical.

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    • RockSunner wrote:

      Mf99k wrote: two new female villains wouldn't work. I know as a fact we're getting a new female villain with a different voice actor (which WAS mentioned in one of alex's tweets) as for the interview about more personalities, I'll have to find it and it was about an hour long

      I found one twitter about Peter Serafinowicz doing a villain voice. (He's a male voice actor, which wouldn't prevent him from voicing a female character, but who knows?) If Lebam is a new villain, why shouldn't she have a new voice actor? It would allow the characters to be distinguished, since they would look identical.

      I would like it if they had the same voice, though. That way you never know who the villain is.

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    • I would like it if they had the same voice, though. That way you never know who the villain is.

      She could have the same voice when Lebam was impersonating Mabel ("mimicking her voice"), and her own voice otherwise (discussing her plans with henchmen, etc.).

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    • RockSunner wrote:

      I would like it if they had the same voice, though. That way you never know who the villain is.

      She could have the same voice when Lebam was impersonating Mabel ("mimicking her voice"), and her own voice otherwise (discussing her plans with henchmen, etc.).


      I think I agree with you. However, I don't really like Lebam if she was in the show.

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    • Storm234 wrote: What if the llama is Manly Dan? That would be funny. But its probably unlikely because he doesnt show up much. 

      I think the llama is the wax figure whose head got chopped off and went into the vents and told Mabel to wear the llama sweater

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    • Also, the cipher for the episode was "he's still in the vents"

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    • Magidbeleon wrote:
      Also, the cipher for the episode was "he's still in the vents"

      O.O


      This post is a lie...

      (Just kidding, great work so far guys!  I just wanted to do a nerdy pun, or, a nun.)

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    • I think the llama is waddles because llamas  had a very valor-magic to inkas and waddles have too very valor in gravity falls remeber the paradoxe on time traveler s'pig or how Stan saved him on Land before Swine

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    • Ecpg wrote:
      I think the llama is waddles because llamas  had a very valor-magic to inkas and waddles have too very valor in gravity falls remeber the paradoxe on time traveler s'pig or how Stan saved him on Land before Swine

      I think the llama is Wax Larry King.

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    • Ecpg wrote:
      I think the llama is waddles because llamas  had a very valor-magic to inkas and waddles have too very valor in gravity falls remeber the paradoxe on time traveler s'pig or how Stan saved him on Land before Swine

      what do you mean by valor-magic?

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    • Izunna Nwogbo wrote:
      I think the llama will be more subtle; maybe someone who is strong. "Llamas are nature's greatest warriors."


      Okay Guys (Gals, Pigs, and Dream Demons included here) but what if we're making the wrong assumptions here? The show doesn't actually say who is each symbol, except Dipper, Soos and Mabel. I was watching another show (Criminal Minds) and in an episode I just watched, one of the characters asks another if they knew what the name Gideon meant(Gideon being a character in the show). Before the questionee can anwser, a third character(Reid) interjects: "A Mighty Warrior". What if Gideon is the Llama?

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    • I took most of this from Vailskibum94, (YouTube, really check it out! A lot of realistic theories!) 

      Question Mark: Soos

      The Ice bag: Wendy

      The Fez Symbol: Stanford Pines

      The Pine Tree: Dipper Pines

      The eye-star: Gideon Gleefull

      Six-Fingered hand: Journal Author, possibly Old Man McGucket

      Llama: Lebam/Pacifica/Waddles

      Shooting Star: Mabel Pines

      Heart: Robbie V.

      Glasses: Stanley Pines 

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    • Epiphany Sharper wrote:
      Izunna Nwogbo wrote:
      I think the llama will be more subtle; maybe someone who is strong. "Llamas are nature's greatest warriors."

      Okay Guys (Gals, Pigs, and Dream Demons included here) but what if we're making the wrong assumptions here? The show doesn't actually say who is each symbol, except Dipper, Soos and Mabel. I was watching another show (Criminal Minds) and in an episode I just watched, one of the characters asks another if they knew what the name Gideon meant(Gideon being a character in the show). Before the questionee can anwser, a third character(Reid) interjects: "A Mighty Warrior". What if Gideon is the Llama?

      Not to be rude, but I seriously doubt it.

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    • no. Gideon is a hebrew name that means a "feller" or chopper of trees. maybe someone who wants to take down a family called "Pines" perhaps?

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    • Mf99k wrote
      Ecpg wrote:
      I think the llama is waddles because llamas  had a very valor-magic to inkas and waddles have too very valor in gravity falls remeber the paradoxe on time traveler s'pig or how they could in a big trouble with dinasours
      what do you mean by valor-magic?

      Look at this video and you will understand:://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvE_wKvzA4Y&list=UUVJ2GFJzJgwyN7eWWWSpcHA&index=15 also look

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    • I can't find a reference to llamas as a symbol of valor in the Inca culture. I see references to jaguars being their symbol of valor.

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    • RockSunner wrote:
      I can't find a reference to llamas as a symbol of valor in the Inca culture. I see references to jaguars being their symbol of valor.

      http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ganader%C3%ADa_incaica

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    • Ecpg wrote:

      RockSunner wrote:
      I can't find a reference to llamas as a symbol of valor in the Inca culture. I see references to jaguars being their symbol of valor.

      http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ganader%C3%ADa_incaica

      Okay, my rough Google translation of this Spanish article failed to turn up the reference. I see that their meat was "valorado" (valued) but not that the llamas were symbols of valor (courage).

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    • RockSunner wrote:

      Ecpg wrote:

      RockSunner wrote:
      I can't find a reference to llamas as a symbol of valor in the Inca culture. I see references to jaguars being their symbol of valor.
      http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ganader%C3%ADa_incaica
      Okay, my rough Google translation of this Spanish article failed to turn up the reference. I see that their meat was "valorado" (valued) but not that the llamas were symbols of valor (courage).

      Sorry i did'nt found in english and also i talk that waddles have magic not the llamas dont confuse it U.U

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    • Well first of all you need to realise that only one symbol per character. If you have seen the episode dreamscapers (s1 e19) you would know that bill cipher calls Mabel "Shooting star", He calls Dipper "Pine Tree" and he calls Soos "Question Mark". So you have them figured out already. 

      Stan would be the claw for what's on his hat, Wendy I would say is the bag of ice, which most people would say as well because she's around bags of ice a lot or cool stuff, also because she's a "cool person", you also have one wrong in my opinion, you could be right but I have a theory that the hand is not for the author, but it could be, but I think that it's for a secret society in Gravity Falls. Everyone in the show has four fingers, that would be normal for the cartoon characters, but the journal has 6 fingers on it. That's one more than an average human, so you need to look out for the characters that have 5 fingers, one more than the average cartoon character. Some of those people would be: Stan, Soos, Lil Gideon, Deputy Durland, Lazy Susan, Old man McGucket and so on. If you play the Rumble McSkirmish game on the disney website it talks about a secret society. I think that those people could be in it. 

      The love heart is obvs Robbie, I think that Llama is Pacifica Northwest because if you look at the llama on mabels sweater it points the opposite way to what it does on the wheel. Those two are enemies so they point opposite ways. The star is gideon and the glasses are stanleys. Some people say that stan pines has a secret twin and some say that it's just him in the past. If you look at stans glasses now they dont look like the ones from the cipher wheel, but if you look at him when he was younger the glasses match the wheel.

      These are my theories, they may not be right but it's what I think. 

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    • I was wondering about the star with the eye in the middle. The bag of ice could very well be Blendin I was just wondering that earleir today when I watch the show.

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    • 1. Star with the eye: Gideon 

      2. Six finger Hand- Author (OLD MCG?)

      3. Llama- Lebam

      4. Shooting Star- Mabel

      5. Heart- Robbie 

      6. Glasses- StanLEY Pines (No, I did not mean stanFORD)

      7. Question Mark- Soos

      8. Ice bag- Wendy

      9. Fez Symbol- StanFORD

      10. Pine Tree- Dipper

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    • Dude I think it might be Old McGrucket :O

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    • Yeah the author could be McGucket. He always seems to wear a cast on one of his arms, and I do mean ALWAYS. Maybe he is the author, and he just lost one of his six fingers in some horrible accident. Plus in "Into the Bunker" the laptop case said "Property of F" on it, and McGucket's full name, as revealed in the episode "Little Dipper" is Fiddleferd H. McGucket. By the way, I have no idea if I spelled his first name right and if I spelled it wrong, sorry about that.

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    • In one of the episodes at a scene when he put a thing on he had no cast

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    • 73EPIC311 wrote:
      In one of the episodes at a scene when he put a thing on he had no cast

      Really? I've always seen him with his cast on.


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    • McGucket has sometimes been seen without a cast, but his right hand is always covered by something.

      1) In "Headhunters" there is no cast but an alligator is trying to chew on his right arm. 2) In "Gideon Rises" he has no cast but his hands are covered by work gloves

      I think he is concealing the scar where his sixth finger used to be.

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    • Yeah, I saw an image on google when I searched him and he had 5 fingersan invisible finger. I don't know if its true though, it was in the background.

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    • It's my birthday. :)

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    • HAPPY BIRTHDAY MABELPINESFAN

      OuO

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    • I had a great day yesterday and I got lots of cool presents. I got lots of pokemon cards including two of the Red Genesect and some other Shiny pokemon.

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    • The llama I think is Pacifica beacuse you know they are enemes and it is in the opisite direction sooting star is mabel though Ice bag I think is Wendy beacuse on the Bill Chiper wheel everybody is main character on that wheel

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    • I think that these don't actually represent characters, but instead, makes you THINK that.

      Glasses = Wisdom

      ? = Mystery

      Ice = Effort

      Fez = Concealability

      Tree = Life

      Star = Mistake

      Hand = Myth

      Llama = Power

      Comet = Wish

      Heart = Friendship

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    • BlayAndHowlie wrote: I think that these don't actually represent characters, but instead, makes you THINK that.

      Glasses = Wisdom

      ? = Mystery

      Ice = Effort

      Fez = Concealability

      Tree = Life

      Star = Mistake

      Hand = Myth

      Llama = Power

      Star = Wish

      Heart = Friendship

      I like that idea. Also, you listed STAR twice. Can you clarify which is which?

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    • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igl4bDI_Mfc

      I believe this one, but that's my opinion.

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    • Mr B Natural wrote:

      BlayAndHowlie wrote: I think that these don't actually represent characters, but instead, makes you THINK that.

      Glasses = Wisdom

      ? = Mystery

      Ice = Effort

      Fez = Concealability

      Tree = Life

      Star = Mistake

      Hand = Myth

      Llama = Power

      Star = Wish

      Heart = Friendship

      I like that idea. Also, you listed STAR twice. Can you clarify which is which?

      Actually, Bill Cipher in Dreamscaperers calls Dipper 'Pine Tree', Mabel 'Shooting Star' and Soos 'Question Mark', all items on the wheel. Also, it has been said that each object represents someone. (I think the producers mentioned that)


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    • Bill pretty much said that Mabel was the shooting star, Dipper was the pine tree and Soos was the question mark in Dreamscaperers.

      I suppose it's right to assume that Stan is probably the symbol that's on his fez. As for the heart, I think that it's Robbie too because it's on his hoodie. For the star with the eye in it, I think it's Gideon because the same symbol is on his tent's top. The six fingered hand is most probably the author.

      For the bag of ice, I have to say that it's probably Wendy. I don't know why, it's just a hunch I guess and for me, it seems to suit her personality. The second season was confirmed to develop her character more which will hopefully give hints as to whether it's her or not. 

      For the glasses, I think it has something to do with the ones seen in Carpet Diem, but I can't really say anything about it.

      Lastly, I think the llama might be Pacifica. It seems possible, but I'm not sure. I just liked the idea after reading it somewhere and since her character is being expanded on in the second season, there's a chance it might be her.

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    • LightningDancer wrote:
      Mr B Natural wrote:

      BlayAndHowlie wrote: I think that these don't actually represent characters, but instead, makes you THINK that.

      Glasses = Wisdom

      ? = Mystery

      Ice = Effort

      Fez = Concealability

      Tree = Life

      Star = Mistake

      Hand = Myth

      Llama = Power

      Star = Wish

      Heart = Friendship

      I like that idea. Also, you listed STAR twice. Can you clarify which is which?

      Actually, Bill Cipher in Dreamscaperers calls Dipper 'Pine Tree', Mabel 'Shooting Star' and Soos 'Question Mark', all items on the wheel. Also, it has been said that each object represents someone. (I think the producers mentioned that)


      Sorry. Mistake = Gideon Star

      Wish = Mabel Star

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    • The Stan Twin theory misses something, or it wasn't explained overall that good. I mean, why does Stanford wear the round glasses in jail in Columbia? (Dreamscaperers). The only reason why he is looking so thoughtful at them could be that he remembers how it was in jail or something happened there.

      But I still wonder why the car has STNLYMBL on it. Just a pun?

      Why the glasses on the weel are marked with three exclamation marks?

      And why does Grunkle Stan have a six fingered glove in his secret room with the portal? Does that mean, the author invented the portal? The only reason I could think of why the author had six fingers is that he probably is an alien from another dimension or world.

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    • okay so: here are my thoughts and i actually just made an account to post this so,,

      Question mark: Soos.

      Ice: Wendy.

      Claw thingy: Stanford Pines.

      Pine: Dipper.

      Eye-star: Gideon.

      6-fingered hand: Author of the 3 journals.

      Llama: Wax head in the vents. the code at the end of this episode says "he's still in the vents" so that gives me reason to believe he's of some importance. 

      Shooting star: My baby Mabel.

      Broken/Stitched heart: Robbie

      Glasses: Stanley Pines. Strong supporter of the twin theory. 


      so yeah, those are my ideas. the only ones im not sure about are the ice and llama. hmmmm

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    • Just want to say that its you can basicaly prove that stanford has AT LEAST a brother by two things.

      1. That for Grunkle Stan to be thir Grunkle he needs to have a sibling that is the twins grandparent.

      2. And more importantly, in American society at least, the convention of last names is that it is passed down by the men. Therefore this means that for Stan and Dipper and Mabel to have the same last name, Stan would need to have a brother, who would be the father of Dipper and Mabels father.

      From there its quite easy to jump to the idea of the two brothers being twins, since theres already one group of twins and it would be awesome for Stan to also be a twin

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    • Wow this is getting really popular

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    • about gideon being the star

      if i recall correctly, bill greets soos mabel and dipper as question mark shooting star and pine tree, yet he didnt greet gideon as the star did he?

      idk this makes me rethink a few theories

      maybe some of the symbols represent places or things rather than just people, maybe an event?

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    • I was wondering about that too recently. 
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    • hmm never thought about that

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    • When Gideon summoned Bill to invade Stan's mind, he drew a little arrow in his journal pointing to the glasses symbol. So I'm pretty sure the glasses mean Stan. So he must have gotten the hat from someone else. Most likely either the author, or the theoretical twin brother everyone keeps talking about. (I'll admit it would make sense, but I may need just a little more convincing on that theory)

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    • SpiVenger wrote: When Gideon summoned Bill to invade Stan's mind, he drew a little arrow in his journal pointing to the glasses symbol. So I'm pretty sure the glasses mean Stan. So he must have gotten the hat from someone else. Most likely either the author, or the theoretical twin brother everyone keeps talking about. (I'll admit it would make sense, but I may need just a little more convincing on that theory)

      How do you know it was Gideon who drew that arrow and exclamation marks? I think it was someone who wrote in the journal before Gideon got it, someone who either wore glasses like that or knew someone who did. I would tend to suspect McGucket, Stan, or Stanley (if he exists).

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    • RockSunner wrote:

      SpiVenger wrote: When Gideon summoned Bill to invade Stan's mind, he drew a little arrow in his journal pointing to the glasses symbol. So I'm pretty sure the glasses mean Stan. So he must have gotten the hat from someone else. Most likely either the author, or the theoretical twin brother everyone keeps talking about. (I'll admit it would make sense, but I may need just a little more convincing on that theory)

      How do you know it was Gideon who drew that arrow and exclamation marks? I think it was someone who wrote in the journal before Gideon got it, someone who either wore glasses like that or knew someone who did. I would tend to suspect McGucket, Stan, or Stanley (if he exists).

      Point taken

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    • i think if stan really was the glasses then the sign on his fez would refer to the secret order, either way my main headcanon though is that he is the sign and glasses is someone else, there are vey well written theories about the stanley twin, i dont believe or disbelieve it, i just think its better to keep your options open when you write theories.

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    • plus stan's sign changed in boss mabel but the sign on bills wheel stayed so maybe that means something maybe it doesnt, just interesting to think about.

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    • I think the llama represents Pacifica after "The Golf War" Season 2, Episode 3. They started to become friends. May be they'll get matching Llama sweaters? But Labem really? How would the Merman know about it? The stan twin therory is not off but he is not the llama if anything he is the Glasses. Here is a link I found on the web about it.  http://prettyinpwn.tumblr.com/post/55115200158/indulging-in-the-stan-twin-theory-adding-things-to 

      Still Labem she is not a human, a clone from a magic mirror? Possibley. Where did the picture come from then? I still think Pacifica. But we all know the hand is......Get ready......You might have saw it earlier. File:Tumblr n9p9uc7jxQ1r45xfpo2 500.jpg 

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    • 81cheney wrote:
      I think the llama represents Pacifica after "The Golf War" Season 2, Episode 3. They started to become friends. May be they'll get matching Llama sweaters? But Labem really? How would the Merman know about it? The stan twin therory is not off but he is not the llama if anything he is the Glasses. Here is a link I found on the web about it.  http://prettyinpwn.tumblr.com/post/55115200158/indulging-in-the-stan-twin-theory-adding-things-to 

      Still Labem she is not a human, a clone from a magic mirror? Possibley. Where did the picture come from then? I still think Pacifica. But we all know the hand is......Get ready......You might have saw it earlier. File:Tumblr n9p9uc7jxQ1r45xfpo2 500.jpg 

      I thought they confirmed that picture was just to mess with us?

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    • if lebam was anything she would be a doppleganger

      plus everything in this show are clues for us, the viewer, the codes and the hints, why arnt the characters deciphering the codes in the journal that pop up in a few screenshots? because we are supposed to.

      the mermaid isnt writing to lebam, lebam was a hint for us OR to lead us off a trail if it means nothing then the creaters went a long way to mess with us

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    • Happyman713 wrote:
      Just want to say that its you can basicaly prove that stanford has AT LEAST a brother by two things.

      1. That for Grunkle Stan to be thir Grunkle he needs to have a sibling that is the twins grandparent.

      2. And more importantly, in American society at least, the convention of last names is that it is passed down by the men. Therefore this means that for Stan and Dipper and Mabel to have the same last name, Stan would need to have a brother, who would be the father of Dipper and Mabels father.

      From there its quite easy to jump to the idea of the two brothers being twins, since theres already one group of twins and it would be awesome for Stan to also be a twin

      That's true. Plus there is a wives tale about twins happening in families every second generation, and even if this is not true the series creator (who is also a twin) might of heard of and used it. 

      I actually thought in the begining that Grunkle Stan was the twins great uncle. (Great + Uncle = Gruncle/Grunkle). Didn't Stanford once call the twins his "in-greats"? But somewhere along the line I dropped that theory. 

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    • TommyUchiha wrote:
      about gideon being the star

      if i recall correctly, bill greets soos mabel and dipper as question mark shooting star and pine tree, yet he didnt greet gideon as the star did he?

      idk this makes me rethink a few theories

      maybe some of the symbols represent places or things rather than just people, maybe an event?

      hmmm. thats a good point, its very possible. using that theory, the eye-star could be gideons famous streak or his tent, the ice could represent dippers attempts to impress wendy, and the llama could even just represent that one line "llamas are natures greatest warriors". im not sure. the llama is actually the only one that completly confuses me. any thoughts?

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    • Could be and that is a good point check out my blog theorys on my blog

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    • Jesseer wrote:

      hmmm. thats a good point, its very possible. using that theory, the eye-star could be gideons famous streak or his tent, the ice could represent dippers attempts to impress wendy, and the llama could even just represent that one line "llamas are natures greatest warriors". im not sure. the llama is actually the only one that completly confuses me. any thoughts?


      they put a lot of emphasis on the llama, the sweater pop up twice, lary king's head, the fact that it's on the wheel, whatever it is, the llama is a very important factor that a show that's famous for subtle hints would emphasise it this much

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    • TommyUchiha wrote:
      they put a lot of emphasis on the llama, the sweater pop up twice, lary king's head, the fact that it's on the wheel, whatever it is, the llama is a very important factor that a show that's famous for subtle hints would emphasise it this much


      im just seeing now how often the llama shows up. maybe a new character could arrive, a friend of mabels even. the only thing im sure about is that it must be important. 

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    • i agree it must be important.

      although if anything, i think the lebam theory is good enough on it's own to not be completely disregarded, i know some have taken it to extremes but in my opinion, id believe a doppleganger over a magic mirror.

      either way, when it comes to the wheel, i like to think the llama is a whole other character because then there would be too many repeats on the wheel like the stan twins being the glasses and fez symbol and mabel and lebam being the star and the llama, it would be too repetitive.

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    • very true. i honestly think having people represent several symbols would just be complete laziness on the part of the creators. i really haven't heard much about the lebam theory, whats the basic just of it? all i know is that its based on the lebam bottle in The Deep End. Is it something like Bill pretending to be Soos?

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    • Jesseer wrote:
      very true. i honestly think having people represent several symbols would just be complete laziness on the part of the creators. i really haven't heard much about the lebam theory, whats the basic just of it? all i know is that its based on the lebam bottle in The Deep End. Is it something like Bill pretending to be Soos?


      the lebam theory comes in many forms, theres the silly one where the twins are actually tripplets that is really too silly to be taken seriously, there is also a theory that she is a mirror double created around the episode where lary king's head told her that they were nature's strongest animals

      and there is a theory that i like to think is the most realistic out of the three which is that Lebam is a doppleganger, lebam is a dark copy of mabel, there were facts to support the theory which were in the episode with sevral times, mabel was too fast getting up the stairs and the fact that she said they were asleep when they wernt, there is also the blank sweater but i suggest actually looking up the doppleganger theory because it was very well put together.


      personally, given the myths surrounding dopplegangers, it would be interesting but plot-wise im still not sure, i think the lebam theory is interesting especially since this is an animated series, nothing is put in for laughs, everything is there for a reason and there arnt really any animation errors, especially since this show relys on it's subtlty.

      i like to think that there were always important clues hidden around that we havnt caught yet, soos mabel and dippers symbols seemed too easy you start to wonder if the answers were really always there and the joke's on us for not figuring them out sooner, also autocorrect is a pain, i know.

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    • hey everyone look who my new Government teacher is: [1]

      XD

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    • interesting!! i'll look it up today. i agree, this shit may have a lot of shits and giggles, but nearly everything is important. speaking of subtlty, did anyone else figure out soos was really bill as soon as he mentioned the gift shop carpet? you know, the one with the triangle with an eye on it? i am probably way behind on that ye.

      anyways, the lebam theory looks pretty cool, ill have to look it up.



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    • Mf99k wrote:
      hey everyone look who my new Government teacher is: [1]

      XD

      Spooky

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    • I have a theory about Bill's wheel. See this thread.

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    • I think the llama is Lebam. Lebam is the opposite of Mabel, right? And Mabel wore a llama facing the other way. So the reverse would be the left-facing llama. Thus, Lebam.

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    • I do not have time to read this whole thing, it's extremely long, but here's a summary of what we know:

      The Pine Tree is Dipper, The Shooting Star is Mabel, and the Question Mark is Soos. We know this thanks to Bill.

      Speculation can bring us someways as well. The only person so far we can associate with with the arm is Stanford Pines. The Pentagram is only associated with Gideon so far. The Heart is only seen on Robbie, and in a store, but we can safely assume it means Robbie :P

      It gets hard when we come to the Ice, Llama, Six-fingered hand, and Glasses. There's too much speculation, and not enough proof. We can assume the hand it either The author or the Journals but that's about it. The other's are too vague so far, but I'll list the suspects

      Ice: Wendy, Supernatural elements. This one doesn't have much, but it's extremely vague.

      Llama: Pacifica, Manly Dan, Lebam, Narutal elements.

      Glasses: Stanley, McGucket. Again, not much, but a little vague. We need more information.

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    • CraftoidNoob wrote:
      I think the llama is Lebam. Lebam is the opposite of Mabel, right? And Mabel wore a llama facing the other way. So the reverse would be the left-facing llama. Thus, Lebam.

      That with "the opposite of Mabel" is a smart thing. But her opposite in every aspect is more or less Pacifica.

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    • BloodyKeyblade wrote:
      CraftoidNoob wrote:
      I think the llama is Lebam. Lebam is the opposite of Mabel, right? And Mabel wore a llama facing the other way. So the reverse would be the left-facing llama. Thus, Lebam.
      That with "the opposite of Mabel" is a smart thing. But her opposite in every aspect is more or less Pacifica.

      I thought it might be a symbol for all the supernatural stuff in general.  The first time the llama sweater was mentioned was in Headhunters when Larry King's head hopped by and commented on it.  It's a kinda weak idea, but better to get the bad ideas out of the way ;)

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    • Peacexfreedom wrote:
      BloodyKeyblade wrote:
      CraftoidNoob wrote:
      I think the llama is Lebam. Lebam is the opposite of Mabel, right? And Mabel wore a llama facing the other way. So the reverse would be the left-facing llama. Thus, Lebam.
      That with "the opposite of Mabel" is a smart thing. But her opposite in every aspect is more or less Pacifica.
      I thought it might be a symbol for all the supernatural stuff in general.  The first time the llama sweater was mentioned was in Headhunters when Larry King's head hopped by and commented on it.  It's a kinda weak idea, but better to get the bad ideas out of the way ;)

      Well, it would be unlikely for a symbol on the wheel not to be a person. Since we know Pine Tree (Dipper), Shooting Star (Mabel) and Question Mark (Soos) we can assume that all the symbols mean persons.

      And remember: the persons on the wheel don't have to resemble there respective symbols by now. Soos for example is the Question Mark only since 10 years, when he started working at the Mystery Shack.

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    • I think that the llama is either Larry King or Lebam is an alternate personality of Mabel left over from the family being from Gravity Falls only a few generations before.

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    • Cold be Larry. "He's still in the vents", remember?

      My sister thinks the llama could be Manly Dan, given the "nature's greatest warriors" comment.

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    • BloodyKeyblade wrote:

      Well, it would be unlikely for a symbol on the wheel not to be a person. Since we know Pine Tree (Dipper), Shooting Star (Mabel) and Question Mark (Soos) we can assume that all the symbols mean persons.

      And remember: the persons on the wheel don't have to resemble there respective symbols by now. Soos for example is the Question Mark only since 10 years, when he started working at the Mystery Shack.

      Yoe never know. Personally the onlt good theory I've heard for the llama is a non-character; I don't believe in Lebam.

      That's true as well. I think the symbols were prophetic in a way: the Question Mark alwast represented Soos, even before he was born.

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    • MinecraftPercabeth wrote:
      BloodyKeyblade wrote:

      Well, it would be unlikely for a symbol on the wheel not to be a person. Since we know Pine Tree (Dipper), Shooting Star (Mabel) and Question Mark (Soos) we can assume that all the symbols mean persons.

      And remember: the persons on the wheel don't have to resemble there respective symbols by now. Soos for example is the Question Mark only since 10 years, when he started working at the Mystery Shack.

      Yoe never know. Personally the onlt good theory I've heard for the llama is a non-character; I don't believe in Lebam.

      That's true as well. I think the symbols were prophetic in a way: the Question Mark alwast represented Soos, even before he was born.

      Maybe Bill can see the future

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    • SpiVenger wrote:
      MinecraftPercabeth wrote:
      BloodyKeyblade wrote:

      Well, it would be unlikely for a symbol on the wheel not to be a person. Since we know Pine Tree (Dipper), Shooting Star (Mabel) and Question Mark (Soos) we can assume that all the symbols mean persons.

      And remember: the persons on the wheel don't have to resemble there respective symbols by now. Soos for example is the Question Mark only since 10 years, when he started working at the Mystery Shack.

      Yoe never know. Personally the onlt good theory I've heard for the llama is a non-character; I don't believe in Lebam.

      That's true as well. I think the symbols were prophetic in a way: the Question Mark alwast represented Soos, even before he was born.

      Maybe Bill can see the future

      I believe if he can. Remember in "Sock Opera" he asked Soos if he wanted to know the exact date of his death

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    • the glasses is stan's secret twin 

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    • and the 6 fingered hand is old man mcguckets one

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    • Phario wrote:
      and the 6 fingered hand is old man mcguckets one

      McGucket didn't have six fingers, we learned that in Society of the Blindeye, S2E7

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    • Phario wrote:
      the glasses is stan's secret twin 

      That's one theory. It could also be McGucket, as he had glasses.

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    • MinecraftPercabeth wrote:
      Phario wrote:
      the glasses is stan's secret twin 
      That's one theory. It could also be McGucket, as he had glasses.


      Aren`t the glasses different tho?

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    • Mabel in NY wrote:

      Aren`t the glasses different tho?

      They're also different than "Stanley's" though. They could be anyone with glasses.

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    • McGucket's reading glasses are round and frameless. They look nothing like the ones on the Wheel. It might be possible for McGucket to be the Llama, since he fought for survival in nature (e.g. fighting a raccoon for a piece of meat), and llamas are "nature's greatest fighters."

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    • RockSunner wrote:
      McGucket's reading glasses are round and frameless. They look nothing like the ones on the Wheel. It might be possible for McGucket to be the Llama, since he fought for survival in nature (e.g. fighting a raccoon for a piece of meat), and llamas are "nature's greatest fighters."

      I also like to think he is the llama but besides that, what you mentioned, there aren`t many more proofs.

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    • MinecraftPercabeth wrote:

      They're also different than "Stanley's" though. They could be anyone with glasses.

      The frame is very similar to the one we see on the wheel, but theres also the possibility of it representing another character, most likely new.

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    • RockSunner wrote:
      McGucket's reading glasses are round and frameless. They look nothing like the ones on the Wheel. It might be possible for McGucket to be the Llama, since he fought for survival in nature (e.g. fighting a raccoon for a piece of meat), and llamas are "nature's greatest fighters."

      The llama theory is actually a good one, but you have to remember: no-one has glasses that look like the ones on the wheel. Also, McGucket mentions having reading glasses. The glasses on the wheel habe little eyes looking down as if they are reading glasses. It's possible the wheel symbol represent reading glasses, not glasses that look just like those, or that McGucket has another pair of glasses for reading.

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    • Mabel in NY wrote:
      MinecraftPercabeth wrote:

      They're also different than "Stanley's" though. They could be anyone with glasses.

      The frame is very similar to the one we see on the wheel, but theres also the possibility of it representing another character, most likely new.

      Similar, yes. But if you argue that they don't have to look like the ones on the wheel, you open the possibilty of any glasses.

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    • MinecraftPercabeth wrote:
      Mabel in NY wrote:
      MinecraftPercabeth wrote:

      They're also different than "Stanley's" though. They could be anyone with glasses.

      The frame is very similar to the one we see on the wheel, but theres also the possibility of it representing another character, most likely new.
      Similar, yes. But if you argue that they don't have to look like the ones on the wheel, you open the possibilty of any glasses.

      stanley's glasses arent different from the ones in the wheel

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    • MinecraftPercabeth wrote:
      Phario wrote:
      and the 6 fingered hand is old man mcguckets one
      McGucket didn't have six fingers, we learned that in Society of the Blindeye, S2E7

      Oh then i wonder why mcgucket had bandages on his hand

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    • Phario wrote:
      MinecraftPercabeth wrote:
      Phario wrote:
      and the 6 fingered hand is old man mcguckets one
      McGucket didn't have six fingers, we learned that in Society of the Blindeye, S2E7
      Oh then i wonder why mcgucket had bandages on his hand

      Didn't you watch the episode? He got hit by a car.

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    • Phario wrote:
      MinecraftPercabeth wrote:
      Mabel in NY wrote:
      MinecraftPercabeth wrote:

      They're also different than "Stanley's" though. They could be anyone with glasses.

      The frame is very similar to the one we see on the wheel, but theres also the possibility of it representing another character, most likely new.
      Similar, yes. But if you argue that they don't have to look like the ones on the wheel, you open the possibilty of any glasses.
      stanley's glasses arent different from the ones in the wheel

      Not by a lot, but they're not perfectly similar. Stanley's glasses don;t have a bridge above the nose, while the wheel ones do. The symbols glasses are also more rounded on the bottom.

      Opening Bill Cipher Wheel
      S1e9 young Ford

      Stan(ley?)

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    • MinecraftPercabeth wrote:
      Phario wrote:
      MinecraftPercabeth wrote:
      Mabel in NY wrote:
      MinecraftPercabeth wrote:

      They're also different than "Stanley's" though. They could be anyone with glasses.

      The frame is very similar to the one we see on the wheel, but theres also the possibility of it representing another character, most likely new.
      Similar, yes. But if you argue that they don't have to look like the ones on the wheel, you open the possibilty of any glasses.
      stanley's glasses arent different from the ones in the wheel
      Not by a lot, but they're not perfectly similar. Stanley's glasses don;t have a bridge above the nose, while the wheel ones do. The symbols glasses are also more rounded on the bottom.
      Opening Bill Cipher Wheel
      S1e9 young Ford

      Stan(ley?)

      when he doesnt wear it  it has a bridge 

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    • Phario wrote:
      MinecraftPercabeth wrote:
      Phario wrote:
      MinecraftPercabeth wrote:
      Mabel in NY wrote:
      MinecraftPercabeth wrote:

      They're also different than "Stanley's" though. They could be anyone with glasses.

      The frame is very similar to the one we see on the wheel, but theres also the possibility of it representing another character, most likely new.
      Similar, yes. But if you argue that they don't have to look like the ones on the wheel, you open the possibilty of any glasses.
      stanley's glasses arent different from the ones in the wheel
      Not by a lot, but they're not perfectly similar. Stanley's glasses don;t have a bridge above the nose, while the wheel ones do. The symbols glasses are also more rounded on the bottom.
      Opening Bill Cipher Wheel
      S1e9 young Ford

      Stan(ley?)

      when he doesnt wear it  it has a bridge 

      Watch the episode carpet diem closely

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    • Phario wrote:

      when he doesn't wear it  it has a bridge Watch the episode carpet diem closely

      I've watched Carpet Diem and know all about the Stanley scenes.

      These glasses look like the ones on the wheel, sure, but not a lot like the ones on Stanley. They have a bridge, and there are more rounded. Thank you for pointing this out, I didn't know this. The symbol probably represents whoever wore them, maybe Stanley, maybe McGucket, maybe someone else. However, I want to thank you again, this information is, once again, changing my look on the character wheel symbols.

      S1e16 calendar and glasses
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    • MinecraftPercabeth wrote:


      Phario wrote:
      MinecraftPercabeth wrote:
      Mabel in NY wrote:
      MinecraftPercabeth wrote:

      They're also different than "Stanley's" though. They could be anyone with glasses.

      The frame is very similar to the one we see on the wheel, but theres also the possibility of it representing another character, most likely new.
      Similar, yes. But if you argue that they don't have to look like the ones on the wheel, you open the possibilty of any glasses.
      stanley's glasses arent different from the ones in the wheel
      Not by a lot, but they're not perfectly similar. Stanley's glasses don;t have a bridge above the nose, while the wheel ones do. The symbols glasses are also more rounded on the bottom.
      Opening Bill Cipher Wheel
      S1e9 young Ford

      Stan(ley?)

      It's a cartoon. Definition: animated entertainment in which characters and objects are drawn not realistically.

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    • Mr B Natural wrote:

      It's a cartoon. Definition: animated entertainment in which characters and objects are drawn not realistically.

      But Gravity Falls is not a nonsense cartoon, like, say, Adventure Time. Things work as they would in the real world, save the few supernatral aspects of the show. Glasses are not supernatural.

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    • MinecraftPercabeth wrote:
      Mr B Natural wrote:

      It's a cartoon. Definition: animated entertainment in which characters and objects are drawn not realistically.

      But Gravity Falls is not a nonsense cartoon, like, say, Adventure Time. Things work as they would in the real world, save the few supernatral aspects of the show. Glasses are not supernatural.

      No, what I meant, is- it's still a cartoon, and in cartoons things aren't drawn to scale. There's nothing "nonsense" about that.

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    • MinecraftPercabeth wrote:
      Mr B Natural wrote:

      It's a cartoon. Definition: animated entertainment in which characters and objects are drawn not realistically.

      But Gravity Falls is not a nonsense cartoon, like, say, Adventure Time. Things work as they would in the real world, save the few supernatral aspects of the show. Glasses are not supernatural.

      Even Adventure Time has its more serious moments

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    • Mr B Natural wrote:

      No, what I meant, is- it's still a cartoon, and in cartoons things aren't drawn to scale. There's nothing "nonsense" about that.

      Right, but scale has nothing to do with the glasses; whether it's a mistake or not, they are definatley different glasses.

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    • There are hundreds of discrepancies in detail in Gravity Falls animation. Some of them are clues, and most are mistakes. There's really no way to tell if the glasses were intended to look the same or not. I would call them close enough.

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    • RockSunner wrote:
      There are hundreds of discrepancies in detail in Gravity Falls animation. Some of them are clues, and most are mistakes. There's really no way to tell if the glasses were intended to look the same or not. I would call them close enough.

      I agree with both.

      I want to believe that Stanley is the author, and since the author can't be on the wheel twice, that the difference between glasses signifies the Carpet Diem glasses not being Stanley's. However, the both have little golden decorations in the same place, hinting towards an accident rather than a clue.

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    • Wait... What if the goat was the llama?

      dun dun duuun

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    • MinecraftPercabeth wrote:
      Mr B Natural wrote:

      No, what I meant, is- it's still a cartoon, and in cartoons things aren't drawn to scale. There's nothing "nonsense" about that.

      Right, but scale has nothing to do with the glasses; whether it's a mistake or not, they are definatley different glasses.

      Well, the glasses on the Bill Cipher wheel were drawn, so they probably weren't comepletely accurate.

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    • HTFCuddles wrote:
      Wait... What if the goat was the llama?

      dun dun duuun

      I've thought of this too :) It's definatley possible, at least I think it is.

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    • HTFCuddles wrote:

      Well, the glasses on the Bill Cipher wheel were drawn, so they probably weren't comepletely accurate.

      Well, everything in Gravity Falls is drawn. All of the other symbols loook just like their counter-parts, why shouldn't this one? Plus the glasses in Carpet Diem do look just like the ones on the wheel, while the ones on Stanley do not.

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    • MinecraftPercabeth wrote:
      HTFCuddles wrote:

      Well, the glasses on the Bill Cipher wheel were drawn, so they probably weren't comepletely accurate.

      Well, everything in Gravity Falls is drawn.

      He is saying that this was drawn by the Author, who is a character in Gravity Falls.

       
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    • I'm sorry,  I don't know what happened there, it looks like I was quoting myself... 

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    • Squiggleinator3000 wrote:He is saying that this was drawn by the Author, who is a character in Gravity Falls.

      Write, but his picture couldn't be wrong. The glasses in Carpet Diem look exactly like the ones the author drew.

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    • Squiggleinator3000 wrote:
      I'm sorry,  I don't know what happened there, it looks like I was quoting myself... 

      That happens sometimes when the source code gets messed up. Wikia could really use a better format for their forums. :P If you know some simple HTML, you can edit it in source code mode and fix it.

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    • First off, I dunno if this is obvious or something, but am I the first to bring up that the ice bag symbol (among the others such as the pine tree, shooting star, shriner's symbol, etc.) belongs to Thompson?

      I mean, just thinking about it, he's the character most related to it (he gets the ice put in his pants in "the inconveniencing") who doesn't have a pre-existing symbol (Dipper).

      Or am I just stating something painfully obvious?

      Either way, that would leave the 6 fingered hand symbol (which really makes me think that the 6 fingered man is not actually Stanley, or that Stanley is not the owner of the glasses).

      What I really find odd is that Mabel technically has two symbols (Llama and Shooting Star), any ideas on that?

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    • I believe the Llama to be Pacifica. Mostly because Stan and Dipper's archrivals (Gideon and Robbie, respectively) have symbols on the wheel. So why wouldn't Mabel's? 

      The llama on Mabel's sweater faces the opposite direction than the one on Bill's wheel. Maybe this is supposed to indicate how they're opposites. The fact that we're getting another Pacifica episode leads me to believe she'll go through more character development.

      And did anyone notice how it's airing only two days after Valentine's? Just putting that out there...

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    • Izunna Nwogbo wrote:

      And did anyone notice how it's airing only two days after Valentine's? Just putting that out there...

      Yeah, it would make more sense if "The Love God" was airing then...

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    • Viredae wrote:

      First off, I dunno if this is obvious or something, but am I the first to bring up that the ice bag symbol (among the others such as the pine tree, shooting star, shriner's symbol, etc.) belongs to Thompson?

      I mean, just thinking about it, he's the character most related to it (he gets the ice put in his pants in "the inconveniencing") who doesn't have a pre-existing symbol (Dipper).

      Or am I just stating something painfully obvious?

      Either way, that would leave the 6 fingered hand symbol (which really makes me think that the 6 fingered man is not actually Stanley, or that Stanley is not the owner of the glasses).

      What I really find odd is that Mabel technically has two symbols (Llama and Shooting Star), any ideas on that?

      Ice Bag: It's possible I guess, but I wouldn't count on it. There's now a lot of proof for it

      Yes, if Stanley exists, he can't be two symbols. but I'm torn over which he would be.

      We KNOW Mabel is the shooting star, so it's safe to assume the Llama is not. It's been theorized a lot (Pacifica, Lebam, Manly Dan, McGucket) but the line that I think is most important is "Llama's are nature's greatest warriors" which is basically the only llama line. I beliebe the Llama to be the natural things of Gravity Falls, but that's obviously open for discussion.

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    • I always figured the "llama's are nature's greatest warriors" was implying that whoever the Llama was would be (or become) a total champ. 

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    • Lol, that Lebam theory sure rubs me the wrong way though. 

      Isn't that a place in Washington? xD

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    • Viredae wrote:

      First off, I dunno if this is obvious or something, but am I the first to bring up that the ice bag symbol (among the others such as the pine tree, shooting star, shriner's symbol, etc.) belongs to Thompson?

      I mean, just thinking about it, he's the character most related to it (he gets the ice put in his pants in "the inconveniencing") who doesn't have a pre-existing symbol (Dipper).

      Or am I just stating something painfully obvious?

      I've heard the theory (if you wanna call it that) that the ice bag is for Wendy. She's a secondary character and Thompson is more of a recurring character. Soos has one, and Robbie too, and he's not as present as Wendy!  The ice bag was first in The Inconveniencing, in which she appeared. Most relevant, though, is the ice bag in The Time Traveler's Pig. I know it's all kinda iffy, but logically, Wendy has to be on there somewhere.

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    • God I am so sick of this thread showing up in my Notifications.

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    • Mr B Natural wrote:
      God I am so sick of this thread showing up in my Notifications.

      You should be abke to unsubscribe from your profile page :)

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    • Peacexfreedom wrote:I've heard the theory (if you wanna call it that) that the ice bag is for Wendy. She's a secondary character and Thompson is more of a recurring character. Soos has one, and Robbie too, and he's not as present as Wendy!  The ice bag was first in The Inconveniencing, in which she appeared. Most relevant, though, is the ice bag in The Time Traveler's Pig. I know it's all kinda iffy, but logically, Wendy has to be on there somewhere.</span>

      That's a pretty popular "theory" actually. I personally think that, if the ice bag is Wendy, they probably could have connected it to her a little better.

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    • MinecraftPercabeth wrote:
      Peacexfreedom wrote:I've heard the theory (if you wanna call it that) that the ice bag is for Wendy. She's a secondary character and Thompson is more of a recurring character. Soos has one, and Robbie too, and he's not as present as Wendy!  The ice bag was first in The Inconveniencing, in which she appeared. Most relevant, though, is the ice bag in The Time Traveler's Pig. I know it's all kinda iffy, but logically, Wendy has to be on there somewhere.</span>
      That's a pretty popular "theory" actually. I personally think that, if the ice bag is Wendy, they probably could have connected it to her a little better.

      True, but I guess for the most part they're semi-subtle. I guess some of theme are pretty obvious, but Mabel's, for example, is the icon on the first sweatshirt she wears (they do show it a few more times, though), but she has such a vast wardrobe, so it could be considered to be a more subtle one

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    • Mr B Natural wrote:
      God I am so sick of this thread showing up in my Notifications.

      You're not the only one to have such a problem, fellow MST3K fan. That Hobbit forum on Brickipedia keeps notifying me for some reason.

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    • SpiVenger wrote:
      Mr B Natural wrote:
      God I am so sick of this thread showing up in my Notifications.
      You're not the only one to have such a problem, fellow MST3K fan. That Hobbit forum on Brickipedia keeps notifying me for some reason.

      There's an unfollow option in the initial post at the top of this page

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    • These are what they are: (I don't THINK they are, I KNOW they are)

      ? is Soos (his shirt has a ? on it)

      Ice bag is Wendy (she is shown around ice a lot)

      Crab claw thingamajig is Stan (his fez has the same symbol)

      Tree is Dipper (his hat has the same pattern)

      Star is Gideon (the tent of telepathy has the same star above it)

      Hand is Old Man McGucket (the journals have the same hand)

      /|\ Remember in the Blindeye episode when McGucket states that 'he worked with someone else'? Well, who I believe to be that someone else is already IN the wheel, so I'm saying that it's McGucket.

      Llama is PACIFICA (she has a LLAMA SHIRT!!!)

      /|\ Okay, now you all can stop fighting over who the llama is.

      Shooting star is Mabel (she has a shooting star shirt)

      Heart is Robbie (his jacket has the same design)

      And the glasses are Stanley. (his glasses are the same)

      /|\ If you don't know who Stanley is, look up "stanley pines gravity falls theory".


      There you have it.

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    • Pacifica has a llama shirt? 

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    • Not yet, but in theory Mabel could give her one if they become friendly enough. It's a long shot, but we have another episode of character development for Pacifica coming where this could come closer to happening.

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    • Bennett535 wrote:
      These are what they are: (I don't Ice bag is Wendy (she is shown around ice a lot)

      Crab claw thingamajig is Stan (his fez has the same symbol)

      Tree is Dipper (his hat has the THINK they are, I KNOW they are)

      ? is Soos (his shirt has a ? on it)

      same pattern)

      Star is Gideon (the tent of telepathy has the same star above it)

      Hand is Old Man McGucket (the journals have the same hand)

      /|\ Remember in the Blindeye episode when McGucket states that 'he worked with someone else'? Well, who I believe to be that someone else is already IN the wheel, so I'm saying that it's McGucket.

      Llama is PACIFICA (she has a LLAMA SHIRT!!!)

      /|\ Okay, now you all can stop fighting over who the llama is.

      Shooting star is Mabel (she has a shooting star shirt)

      Heart is Robbie (his jacket has the same design)

      And the glasses are Stanley. (his glasses are the same)

      /|\ If you don't know who Stanley is, look up "stanley pines gravity falls theory".


      There you have it.

      First off, you can't say you "know" something (like this) without sufficient evidence.

      Technically, the only ones we know to be true are Dipper, Mabel and Soos (as Bill called them by their respective icons in Dreamscaperers).  For Robbie, Gideon, and Stan, their icons being the heart, the star, and the pac-man esque symbol, respetively, makes the most logical sense.  The others are merely the "most likely".

      You cannot definitively say the glasses are Stanley as that is a theory, and therefore cannot be included in such a bold statement as "I know".

      The hand is most likely the author, as he is the only one we know that has six fingers (confirmed in show), and that appears on all three books.  If you were thinking McGucket because of the "leaked" picture of him "writing the journals", that is officially (by Alex Hirsch) confirmed to be fake. He does not, and possibly never has had, six fingers on either hand.

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    • Mf99k wrote: honestly, I'm just gonna say that I wish I didn't have a birthmark that resembles one of these symbols...

      tmi
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    • LaugingLochNessMonster wrote:

      Mf99k wrote: honestly, I'm just gonna say that I wish I didn't have a birthmark that resembles one of these symbols...

      tmi
      To much information
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    • Izunna Nwogbo wrote: Pacifica has a llama shirt? 

      or does she?

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    • HTFCuddles wrote: Wait... What if the goat was the llama?

      dun dun duuun

      plot twist

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    • In "Northwest Mansion Mystery" there was a llama picture in the hidden room of Northwest family skeletons. Pacifica has just moved to the top of the list as the Llama.

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    • RockSunner wrote:
      In "Northwest Mansion Mystery" there was a llama picture in the hidden room of Northwest family skeletons. Pacifica has just moved to the top of the list as the Llama.

      I noticed that too! I thought I was just desperate to find out who the llama is...


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    • Yes, it is clearly a llama in the painting.  Also, Mcguccet puts on glasses in both "society of the blind eye" and in "Northwest mansion mystery."  The problem is that they don't look like the glasses on the wheel.  But he seems to be an important charater at this point. So...

      We know: 1 pine tree=Dipper. 2 ?=Soos. 3 shooting star=Mabel.

      Pretty sure: 4 stan's fez symbol=Stan. 5 star=Gideon. 6 hand=the author. 7 heart=Robbie.

      Likely: 8 llama=Pacifica.

      Best guess: 9 glasses=Mcgucket (or maybe Blendin or someone we haven't seen yet). 10 ice=Wendy (by process of elimnation).

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    • Clearly...

      Dipper= Pine tree (his hat)

      Mabel=Shooting star (one of her sweaters)

      Soos=Question Mark (his shirt)

      Wendy=Ice Bag (in The Inconveniencing)

      Robbie=The Heart with the scar (on one of his hoodie)

      Pacifica=Llama (in Northwest Mansion Mystery)

      Gruncle Stan=The symbol on his Fez

      McGucket=Six Fingered Hand

      Gideon= Star with the eye on the middle 

      The glasses is still unknown i think it will be shown on Episode 11 Season 2 since in episode 11 mcgucket told dipper about something big is coming i think Bill cipher will re-appear again but more powerful

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    • Clearly...

      Dipper= Pine tree (his hat)

      Mabel=Shooting star (one of her sweaters)

      Soos=Question Mark (his shirt)

      Wendy=Ice Bag (in The Inconveniencing)

      Robbie=The Heart with the scar (on one of his hoodie)

      Pacifica=Llama (in Northwest Mansion Mystery)

      Gruncle Stan=The symbol on his Fez

      McGucket=Six Fingered Hand

      Gideon= Star with the eye on the middle 

      The glasses is still unknown i think it will be shown on Episode 10 Season 2 since in episode 11 mcgucket told dipper about something big is coming i think Bill cipher will re-appear again but more powerful

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    • The hints at a potential relationship between Dipper and Pacifica and Pacifica being the llama do fit in with my own theory (which I think others hold as well) that those who are opposite each other on the wheel have either goals that are at opposition to the other, or there is (maybe not so much reason for antagonism) but at least potential for them to be in competition.

      Thus with Dipper overcoming his crush on Wendy and the part of the fandom that have started to ship, or have always shipped, Dipper and Pacifica, it is, tenueous as it may be, it is possible that through elimination and theorising that Wendy and Pacifica may be in comeption (though this may just be in Dipper's head/heart) or they may have an actual grude. 

      Just to ephasise again, this is based on hints and my own theory and I am no way claiming that any of this is canon or law. 

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    • so far the wheel has only two symbols left to interpritate the glasses and the ice bucket (I know it can be or should be Wendy but I wouldn't hold this too close because the time that the ice bucket was shown was when Dipper went to grab some ice in the inconveniencing but that was for thomson in a prank and not for her) but I agree and firmly believe that it's Wendy because Thomson isn't competant enough for the role and is too much of a side character.

      the glasses shown in Carpet Diem remain unknown but in Little Gift Shop of Horrors Stan mentions dating someone and looking after a kid then mentions his life falling apart by an unknown reason (I'm only going to mention the twin brother theory for the sake of the symbols but I don't fully believe it) so the glasses can be someone that is only known by Stan so it's either a family member or a lover.

      The glove can be either the author due to the glove or Mcgucket due to helping the author in the past (similar to how Wendy is symbolised by the ice bag) given his improving memory, growing intelligence and warning to Dipper in Northwest Mansion Mystery so he can further help in future episodes.

      In the upcomming episodes of season two could have have the ending on a to be continued. 

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    • Maybe Stanley Pines (look it up, kids) was born with a sixth finger on his left (?) hand. Similar to Dipper's birthmark, he was made fun of because of it. 

      That's right. I think Stanley is the author. 
      S2e1 6 fingered glove
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    • I know this comes from a youtube video but if you form a triangle over the image of the wheel with it beginning at the question mark (soos) then the sides at Pine Tree (Dipper) and shooting star (Mabel) then it links to several symbols such.

      the triangle has to be formed by drawing a line between Pine Tree and Shooting Star then making another line from Pine Tree to Question Mark then do the same for Shooting Star and Question Mark then connect the lines. and line them up with the said symbols and rotate it.

      examples include:

      Hand Sign, Ice Bag and Stitch heart

      which is strange since Wendy (Ice Bag) dated robbie (stitch heart) but was stopped by Dipper and Stan who both owned the numbered books (hand sign)

      Shooting Star, Star Eye and Question Mark

      Which is also strange since Mabel (Shooting Star) and Soo's (Question Mark) witness Gideon (Star Eye) summon Bill

      Hand Sign, Glasses, Clam

      Stan (Clam) owns a book (Hand Sign) and keeps a different type of glasses for memory.

      Pine Tree, Lama and Question Mark

      Dipper (Tree) helps Pacifica (Lama) deal with a ghost but Soo's didn't appear in Northwest Mansion Mystery or it stands for the ending because it left questions about the events. 

      Ice Bag, Shooting Star and Star Eye

      Mabel (Shooting Star) asks Wendy (Ice Bag) for advice on breaking up with Gideon (Star Eye)  

      If you do the same thing it reveals that some symbols are linked to an event but they are not always the same and even at times dont make sense so check it out for yourself but I question it but still on the edge.

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    • Psychoking wrote:
      I know this comes from a youtube video but if you form a triangle over the image of the wheel with it beginning at the question mark (soos) then the sides at Pine Tree (Dipper) and shooting star (Mabel) then it links to several symbols such.

      the triangle has to be formed by drawing a line between Pine Tree and Shooting Star then making another line from Pine Tree to Question Mark then do the same for Shooting Star and Question Mark then connect the lines. and line them up with the said symbols and rotate it.

      examples include:

      Hand Sign, Ice Bag and Stitch heart

      which is strange since Wendy (Ice Bag) dated robbie (stitch heart) but was stopped by Dipper and Stan who both owned the numbered books (hand sign)

      Shooting Star, Star Eye and Question Mark

      Which is also strange since Mabel (Shooting Star) and Soo's (Question Mark) witness Gideon (Star Eye) summon Bill

      Hand Sign, Glasses, Clam

      Stan (Clam) owns a book (Hand Sign) and keeps a different type of glasses for memory.

      Pine Tree, Lama and Question Mark

      Dipper (Tree) helps Pacifica (Lama) deal with a ghost but Soo's didn't appear in Northwest Mansion Mystery or it stands for the ending because it left questions about the events. 

      Ice Bag, Shooting Star and Star Eye

      Mabel (Shooting Star) asks Wendy (Ice Bag) for advice on breaking up with Gideon (Star Eye)  

      If you do the same thing it reveals that some symbols are linked to an event but they are not always the same and even at times dont make sense so check it out for yourself but I question it but still on the edge.

      It's a nice theory, but I think it would be really hard to, not only set up smbols to relate from across from each other, but also have them relate to two other symbols in a triangle pattern, especialy since each symbol could have two or three combination using the triangle. It'd be too confusing. Technically, you can rotate the triangle so much, to where everyone has so many ties, it would probably be to hard for the directors to actually have planned them all, so I doubt the triangle theories.

      You've only listed a few here, but there should be ten different triangle combinations, and each symbol should turn up three times.

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    • hmmm........

      i wonder what Larry King would say about Pacifica 

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    • The glasses will most likely be revealed in the next episode and Gideon may possibly return or have a cameo in a future episode as his symbol remains on the wheel (however his symbol may only be there because he released/summoned Bill) 

      Given the journal entry in Dreamscaperers it looks like the Glasses symbol character will have a prominant role as it has three explanation marks pointing towards it (!!!) along with the number 816 three times in the corner of the page to which I have used all the cyphers but they don't work on it so it's just a number unless it's a time or date but it's unlikely if it has any meaning.

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    • Psychoking wrote:
      The glasses will most likely be revealed in the next episode and Gideon may possibly return or have a cameo in a future episode as his symbol remains on the wheel (however his symbol may only be there because he released/summoned Bill) Given the journal entry in Dreamscaperers it looks like the Glasses symbol character will have a prominant role as it has three explanation marks pointing towards it (!!!) along with the number 816 three times in the corner of the page to which I have used all the cyphers but they don't work on it so it's just a number unless it's a time or date but it's unlikely if it has any meaning.


      The 816 number is most likely refering to Alex Hirschs' birthday 6/18, but written backwards


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    • Pacifica NorthWest is the Llama because in the episode "NorthWest Mansion Noir" we saw that the NorthWest collects paintings of Llamas.

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    • Oxedward wrote:
      Pacifica NorthWest is the Llama because in the episode "NorthWest Mansion Noir" we saw that the NorthWest collects paintings of Llamas.

      True and another piece of evidence is that she turning into a more prominant role and it helps balance the wheel since Robbies on it (stitch heart) who is a rival to Dipper so its only fair that Mabels rival is on it. but I wouldn't add to the wikia yet since it isn't confirmed

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    • I sure hope she has a more prominent role. That would also be cool for Robbie, he has shown that he knows how to use dark magic in the epidode where he brainwashed Wendy.

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    • Maybe his big role will have to do with dark magic.

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    • But I don't think she will be a rival to Mabel anymore because she seems to be nice now. Some other people think that she will be a love interest for Dipper.

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    • I know the whole love interest thing with some users because there has been more than enough threads about it but I personally don't really think about it because there are bigger things in the series to be concerned with rather than who will date who but it crosses my mind now and again.

      I find it ironic that Robbie brainwashed Wendy to stay with him yet he's dating Tambry due to being brainwashed by the love potion.

      I also think that some of the episodes have been focused on a member of the wheel with the twins solving their problem or have them as a central role for example Pacifica (llama) in Northwest Mansion Mystery, Robbie (stitch heart) in The Love God, Soos (question mark) in Soos And The Real Girl, Wendy (ice bag) in Into The Bunker and Mabel (shooting star) in Sock Opera.

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    • Machocron wrote:
      I think the ice bag is Wendy. Most important moments in the "dipper and wendy" episodes involve ice, and the amount of time the show has spend developing her character makes me feel like they are in no way done with her 

      Also, Wendy is relaxed and cool.


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    • Now that we've discovered that Stanley is real (I SERIOUSLY DID NOT SEE THAT ONe COMING) we can tell for sure to which person most of the symbols in the wheel belong (confirmed or obvious):

      Dipper- Pine Tree

      Mabel- Shooting Star

      Soos- Question Mark

      Stan- Fish symbol

      Stanley- Glasses

      Robbie- Stitched Heart

      Gideon- One-Eyed Pentagram

      So the only symbols that remain a mystery are the six-fingered hand, the llama and the ice bag, since it isn't clear as to who they belong to (And yeah, I know the theories, but unless you've seen the symbol ON THEM you can't be so sure).

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    • The authors name is Stanford, Gruncle Stans name is Stanley Felipe6666 

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    • Psychoking wrote:
      The authors name is Stanford, Gruncle Stans name is Stanley Felipe6666 

      Yeah, sorry about that. Anyway, I just loved the new episode (Still think the whole "secret twin brother" is a klishae, but meh).

      I like how Stanley just occasionaly says he faked his death in a car crash XD

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    • Felipe6666 wrote:
      Psychoking wrote:
      The authors name is Stanford, Gruncle Stans name is Stanley Felipe6666 
      Yeah, sorry about that. Anyway, I just loved the new episode (Still think the whole "secret twin brother" is a klishae, but meh).

      I like how Stanley just occasionaly says he faked his death in a car crash XD

      its ok your not the first to make that mistake. this episode explained everything and now we fully know that Stanfords on the wheel as the glasses but I wonder what he's been doing all that time in the portal?.

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    • Psychoking wrote:
      Felipe6666 wrote:
      Psychoking wrote:
      The authors name is Stanford, Gruncle Stans name is Stanley Felipe6666 
      Yeah, sorry about that. Anyway, I just loved the new episode (Still think the whole "secret twin brother" is a klishae, but meh).

      I like how Stanley just occasionaly says he faked his death in a car crash XD

      its ok your not the first to make that mistake. this episode explained everything and now we fully know that Stanfords on the wheel as the glasses but I wonder what he's been doing all that time in the portal?.

      I don't think you might want to answer that one, considering what I saw from the promo....

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    • good point

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    • Captainkirk wrote:
      Any ideas about the llama?

      PACIFICA


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    • Tornshine wrote:
      Captainkirk wrote:
      Any ideas about the llama?
      PACIFICA


      Like I said, unless we've seen the symbol on her, we can't be sure.

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    • what do you think the wheels purpose is? I know it points to war but it could mean something else

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    • Psychoking wrote:
      what do you think the wheels purpose is? I know it points to war but it could mean something else

      Maybe it points at the 10 reincarnations of legendary generals who fought and banished Bill Cipher to another dimension.

      Nah, it's probably just what you said about a war or something. I don't think they have enough episodes to give the wheel more than just 1 purpose.

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    • its just strange how Gideons on it but it could be due to the fact that he released Bill because like Robbie I don't see him as a warrior.

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    • Psychoking wrote:
      its just strange how Gideons on it but it could be due to the fact that he released Bill because like Robbie I don't see him as a warrior.

      Well, look at it from my point of view; considering how Bill's in the middle and he's looking at them all, they're probably playing a major role in something, but Bill's manipulating their destiny and turning them against each other as we've seen a couple o' times before, so they can't achieve whatever they're supposed to achieve, which most likely affects him in a very bad way.

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    • possibly. it could also be due to fate not being related to personality so they can hate each other all they like but they are going to fix the problem regardless 

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    • You gotta admit, considering how much of a manipulative person Bill is, he might just be the cause of many things that happened to far, like giving journal 2 to Gideon, or handing the cursed music disc to Robbie...

      What I'm trying to say is that we humans are incredibly easy to persuade, therefore it isn't so hard to make one blieve he did such stuff on his own accord, with the right turns of events and the neccesary emotional stimulations, you can persuade someone to feel, think or even believe in what you want him to. Of course, that requires a mastermind with great ability and influence to perform such merits (which in Bill's case. he is).

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    • true

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    • I never found the appeal of a grand plan like the representatives are destined to save the world and defeat Bill because it builds a ton of pressure to that person and what if they don't want to be the warrior because Gideon causes the release of Bill and the apocalypse because while some know Bill the others don't.

      Thats the thing with prohecy. theres no free at all if Soos is destined to be abandoned by his father then thats tough luck plus I don't think Gideon ever wanted to be the bad guy it was just all part of the plan.

      Gravity Falls does this differently because the prophecy was left ambiguous in the start and some of the characters were developed into the role like Dipper who was the outcast and was mocked by everyone but now he was hired by the Northwests to deal with their ghost. If we believed that Pacifica was on the wheel before Mansion Mystery then we would be confused or angry by that revelation but now she believed to be a warrior and possible love interest.

      These characters are not forced to become warriors they are developed into it and are shown in a different light like Robbie and Pacifica so that they are ready to be cheered on by the fans at the start of the battle.

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    • LOL, Soos writes fanfics X'D

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    • I think Dipper and Soos were the embodiments of the fans in the episode screaming like a little girl when the brother appeared and making fan fiction about Stanley having a brother. I was mostly Dipper in that episode

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    • Psychoking wrote:
      I think Dipper and Soos were the embodiments of the fans in the episode screaming like a little girl when the brother appeared and making fan fiction about Stanley having a brother. I was mostly Dipper in that episode

      LOL, yeah.

      When I first saw Ford, I was like: "What tha hell!?!? The fans actually got it right for once?".

      The only thing I hated in this episode is Dipper being degraded from a man to a fangirl...

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    • Maybe the glasses are Grunkle Ford, and the hand just symbolizes the journals.

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    • Who else thinks that gidon will return as a character?

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      • Gideon*
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    • I think that the people on the circle are either

      A)People who Bill needs

      B)People who can stop him.

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    • KittyHearts wrote:
      I think that the people on the circle are either

      A)People who Bill needs

      B)People who can stop him.

      Actually, I think it's both. It all depends on whether Bill plays his cards right. They can be his greatest assets, but just as easily his downfall. 

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    • Oxedward wrote:
      Who else thinks that gidon will return as a character?

      I definietely think Gideon is the star with an eye.

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