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  • I know you may have had more freedom about site changes when you first joined, but you cant just chamge stufg without the entire community voting on it. The new badges and the background were never voted on, and I would have liked to.gove my opinion and vote on these changes, especially with the new badges, which I find particualary ugly. For all your major site change that you have made since rejoinimg should all be voted on by the community immediatly, and all future chmages should be voted on.

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    • Ah, I see... With wikia in generally I'm usually of the mind to go ahead and edit/make changes until someone disagrees and then it's brought up to discussion. Otherwise things don't get done. But if you don't like the new badges I'll make a post on the boards.

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    • Well, you can't always do that, because it is just bad policy. What really should of been done was made examples, and then we voted on it, because just implementing is a bad policy. I had to get on an admin on the wiki I run about implementing without it being voted on.

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    • I've been editing on wikia since 2010, and I find the benefits usually outweigh any problems from letting editors do their thing. So... that's not a stance I'm gonna change any time soon.

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    • (Like I said, if there's a problem it can be brought up in a discussion and resolved that way easily enough. Policing everyone's movements all the time is unnecessary imo after rules have been established.)

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    • Well, if I must follow the rules about making a vote on site changes, so should you. You may be a bcrat, but that doesn't mean you can just forgo rules. You are a good editor, don't make not hold simple votes the thing that brings you down. Just make some simple votes about your stuff next time, and you will not have any problems. Trust me, things have changes so much from when you first joined. It ain't just admins only making choices, the people have to have a say, or do you want this to just be what ever you think is cool, and have not input before making big changes?

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    • Like I said, I have no problem discussing or holding votes over things people might hold contention over. I use talk pages regularly when I consider making a big change in information/article matters. And you brought up that you had a problem with the badges, so I didn't at all mind bringing it to a vote. So, generally I do keep the community/readers in mind for important things.

      However, I don't see the point in bringing every single thing up for discussion. I suppose I honestly didn't think the badges were a huge deal? That the ones I made up were better than the current ones at any rate and no one would really have a problem with it. I stand corrected, obviously. 

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    • Well, I don't have a problem with the badges personally, I have a problem of how stuff is added to the wiki. You are talking to a person who has fought about making the wiki more democratic, and I am not letting the democracy that has formed be crushed. You must hold votes, and use the forum instead of talk pages, as few people even know they exist. I would just like you to use the new rules the wiki had established after you broke your computer, and just make the wiki more community orientated. It ain't just your wiki, it is every user who edits here wiki.

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    • Hmm.

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    • Ok. I'm trying to... figure out how to word this without coming off as angry. (Because I'm not!) But, I think what I'm going to say might sound a little confrontational.

      As, I've repeatedly stated above, I don't have a problem with voting/discussing important matters. But, I don't do it on matters I consider pretty minor overall. (Admittedly, I should have discussed the wiki's background before making the change. I will fully admit to fault in that.) Case in point: you just said you don't care about the achievement icons. And I deal with things most users don't care about all the time. I don't see the point in bringing it up to the forums every single time. Which is why, to me, you sound overly strict. And restrictive. If someone does not like a change I make, it can always be brought up for discussion then. --Just like with any other edit.

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    • The reason I do it this way is because it is the rule of law that this wiki has set forth, and also, everyone needs to have a voice before a major change, which even if no one cares now, a discussion on it is still important, and doing multiple change discussions at once on one thread is something you can do. Either way, start following the rules, and we will not have to discuss this again.

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    • I really don't think its such a big deal for minor changes as this one, since they do not truly affect the community in any way. I don't feel like being dragged into another war so I'm just stating my opinion on just one message.

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    • Like I stated, and will only state. All changes except edits, should be voted on. The vote can be short or long, just a vote would be nice. If you don't like it, vote for rule changes.

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    • Sandgar wrote: I know you may have had more freedom about site changes when you first joined, but you cant just chamge stufg without the entire community voting on it. The new badges and the background were never voted on, and I would have liked to.gove my opinion and vote on these changes, especially with the new badges, which I find particualary ugly. For all your major site change that you have made since rejoinimg should all be voted on by the community immediatly, and all future chmages should be voted on.

      Sandgar, I don't think that you should tell an administrator how to do their job. If you have an issue with a rule that the administration puts in place, feel free to dispute it in the forums or on the voting board.

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    • PK, I am informing the Admin about the rules, not telling her to make rues, and if you are not going to enforce rules on her, why is she so special she can not hold votes on all major changes, when I can't hold a simple poll about a policy idea. So, yeah, if she does not follow the rules, like you must follow the rules, I will keep bringing this up.

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