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  • Peacexfreedom
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    21:43, June 25, 2016

    Hey. 

    This a board to discuss whether or not ThePK should be demoted. 

    Please state whether you support it or not and your reason. This topic has been brought up before and has been discussed quite a bit lately by many users.



    I for one support because he has bullied users, broken some rules, abused his power etc. 


    Please comment your opinion and be civil about it. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

    I don't think people realized, but this is just the discussion for it. Not the actual vote. If big enough reasons are presented, or enough people support, the actual vote will be made. -Terrios528

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    • He abuses his power pretty much every time he's online, he's biased in decision making, feels the community doesn't have a say, so yeah I support.

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    • I oppose because sometimes he's just doing what's best for the wiki. He's also nice when you're not trying to change everything. He has been here longer than us...he's used to the way it used to be. I for one wouldn't appreciate people changing everything I had in place 

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    • to Juan- It is ILLEGAL to close a thread like this. 

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    • Our banned friend Gage asked me to post this for him:

      I have been attacked multiple times by pk, usually he throws the first punches. I threw a few first, but recently it has been all him starting the fights. Now I do agree i should of been banned, and I do not dispute the ban, except the length, which I find too long. I will also state that PK made a rule for me, and only me, that I must talk to him or another admin to make any kind of vote, even non-binding votes. I also have on a few occasion been singled out by him, and have been falsely accused of breaking term of use, when many users have vouched I have not. He also showed edited t chat logs that he made as proof to a mod that I was being disrespectful to him. I would also like to say he has abused his right, including baring me from an election when many wnated me, and shutting down a high majority vote. In all cases, I support a demotion, even if I can't vote. I will support this, and any action taken.

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    • I oppose. I've known ThePK probably for 3-4 years and he has made this wiki great. I know he is very biased on arguments but he's just trying to do what's best for the wiki like Queen Desi said. He wants things to be like the way they used to be, calm.

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    • Gage:

      Past actions of PK may have been good, but his current actions shows that he is out of step with what is happening now, and that his conserative views on how wikis should be run do not follow with many of the newer users, which make up a bigger part of the wiki. Some of his actions also do break rules that he had agreed on, and how is stopping a high majority vote helpful Descole? and don't say he was going to discuss it, because as of today it is still not discussed with any admin..

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    • This wiki just seems to be getting more and more corrrupt. no lie.

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    • Madi, your reasoning is, "I for one support because he has bullied users, broken some rules, abused his power etc."


      -I haven't bullied users, if you're referring to Sandgar, who is a user who has actually broken the rules, and unless you're considering enforcing the rules bullying, then I haven't bullied users in the past.

      -Name one rule on this wiki that I have broken, please.

      -Please inform me how I have abused my power? I haven't seen evidence of this either.


      Anyways, I oppose my demotion. I don't see any justification for the claims against me, I do agree with what Queen Desi said about me, and I hope you guys know all I want is what is best for the wiki.

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    • ThePK wrote:
      Madi, your reasoning is, "I for one support because he has bullied users, broken some rules, abused his power etc."


      -I haven't bullied users, if you're referring to Sandgar, who is a user who has actually broken the rules, and unless you're considering enforcing the rules bullying, then I haven't bullied users in the past.

      -Name one rule on this wiki that I have broken, please.

      -Please inform me how I have abused my power? I haven't seen evidence of this either.


      Anyways, I oppose my demotion. I don't see any justification for the claims against me, I do agree with what Queen Desi said about me, and I hope you guys know all I want is what is best for the wiki.

      To explain


      On the first thing, that was based off of something one user told me in confidentiality, that they felt you were harrassing Sandgar (It isn't bullying due to legal crap), which I felt Madi should mention when she made the thread. (Just as a note, Both parties can harrass each other, and it still be harrassment.

      On the second thing, rudeness, as we talked about in pm.

      On the third thing, I'm guessing that has to do with the vote not immediatly passing, unless I am wrong, if so, someone please correct me.

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    • Just because he has made decisions that not all the users agree with does not make him a bad admin. As he stated, he just wants what's best for the wikia. We all do.

      Lately, a lot of situations have occurred that required tough decisions to be made. It is not an abuse of power if he, as an admin, makes a decision or takes action that is intended to be beneficial for the wikia. It is not Tuck's fault that these situations have occurred, but he's doing the best with what he's been given.

      I oppose his demotion.

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    • Mr Creeper500 wrote:
      He abuses his power pretty much every time he's online, he's biased in decision making, feels the community doesn't have a say, so yeah I support.

      Yea, hes acting like bill! Abusing his power!


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    • Jakespacepirate wrote:
      Mr Creeper500 wrote:
      He abuses his power pretty much every time he's online, he's biased in decision making, feels the community doesn't have a say, so yeah I support.
      Yea, hes acting like bill! Abusing his power!


      This is your first edit, have you been lurking around the wiki till now? Or are you just going off of something that was said?

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    • Jakespacepirate wrote:

      Mr Creeper500 wrote:
      He abuses his power pretty much every time he's online, he's biased in decision making, feels the community doesn't have a say, so yeah I support.

      Yea, hes acting like bill! Abusing his power!


      Seeing as this was your first edit on this wiki, I'm guessing you don't fully know the situation, but ok.

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    • In my personal opinion, I have to oppose PK's demotion, because from my perspective he is a very nice and respectful admin who wouldn't harm a fly. I've been on this wiki for a year and haven't seen the slightest bit of rule breaking. I respect this guy.

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    • Bored, if I may ask, why did you change your opinion so drastically?
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    • Terrios528 wrote:
      Bored, if I may ask, why did you change your opinion so drastically?

      It wasn't a change of mind, that previous post was regarding the way that this wiki is changing now, where people are constantly being accused of things that they may or my not of done.

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    • I oppose PK's demotion because he is just doing what is best. If others think that he is abusing his powers, he is just doing what needs to be done. Sometimes you gotta enforce the law and if someone doesn't listen you gotta enforce it harder. I have known PK for almost 4 years now, since almost the beginning of this wiki and he has always been great on chat. I don't know some of these situations with other users cuz I have been on and off this wiki quite a lot, but imo I think PK should stay. I got your back bro! :)

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    • I am not active on this wiki, however I have observed the events that have been occuring over the past few months, so I believe it is alright when I say that I oppose the decision to demote PK from his position. He is a very respected member of multiple communities and does the best he can when making decisions.

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    • I personally think ThePK is not too much of a, say, "existential" threat to the wiki. So, oppose.

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    • Guys guys guys.....This is going to far especially when you guys failed at most of the other demotion threads .-. and talk about personal space and value, he was there to actually solve the problem you 'Supporters' created. You literally messed up with my emotions and kept accusing me of stuff .-. Wow and worst part you guys accused ThePK for abusing power when you banned me for wanting personal space. How could you!? >~< You don't have the audacity to say who I want to be and who I am so, let it be clear, talk about yourself and talk about your matters to someone else than bring up the faults of others because archiving all this and proving who you all really are is one way of showing the world your true colors. 'Demotion of ThePK' more like a 'Plan to get another Buro up,' everyone, this is another 'Take down the king and rise a new one' situation, it's clear that all this was planned from the start and in the end betrayal is eminent. No doubt the ones who support the demotion are thinking about removing this comment. Let it be clear, ThePK has been around long enough to help others when they need them and Peace...Well she's by far the most sweetest people I've met so far, demotion for them was a bad move and now to we all see the consequences when one raises there voice just for power. ;-;

      Di t t o C r eeperBot 05:24, June 24, 2016 (UTC)

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    • Oppose, there is no real reason for him to be demoted any time soon.

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    • Mr Creeper500 wrote:
      Our banned friend Gage asked me to post this for him:I have been attacked multiple times by pk, usually he throws the first punches. I threw a few first, but recently it has been all him starting the fights. Now I do agree i should of been banned, and I do not dispute the ban, except the length, which I find too long. I will also state that PK made a rule for me, and only me, that I must talk to him or another admin to make any kind of vote, even non-binding votes. I also have on a few occasion been singled out by him, and have been falsely accused of breaking term of use, when many users have vouched I have not. He also showed edited t chat logs that he made as proof to a mod that I was being disrespectful to him. I would also like to say he has abused his right, including baring me from an election when many wnated me, and shutting down a high majority vote. In all cases, I support a demotion, even if I can't vote. I will support this, and any action taken.

      He's banned again?! What do people have against him....he's nice-ish.....

      Also I think the PK should be demoted

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    • Mr Creeper500 wrote:
      Gage:

      Past actions of PK may have been good, but his current actions shows that he is out of step with what is happening now, and that his conserative views on how wikis should be run do not follow with many of the newer users, which make up a bigger part of the wiki. Some of his actions also do break rules that he had agreed on, and how is stopping a high majority vote helpful Descole? and don't say he was going to discuss it, because as of today it is still not discussed with any admin..


      Okay seriously. Why do you always attack me on a thread or in chat? I just put MY opinion out there. I've known ThePK for quite some time. I know a lot.

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    • I think ThePK should be demoted because I just heard alot of bad things about him such as bullying, breaking rules that he agreed to, accusing other users of breaking terms of policy, etc.

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    • Jakespacepirate wrote:
      Mr Creeper500 wrote:
      He abuses his power pretty much every time he's online, he's biased in decision making, feels the community doesn't have a say, so yeah I support.
      Yea, hes acting like bill! Abusing his power!


      I am  bill :c

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    • Kittencyat wrote: I think ThePK should be demoted because I just heard alot of bad things about him such as bullying, breaking rules that he agreed to, accusing other users of breaking terms of policy, etc.


      I respect your decision to vote for my demotion, however I'd appreciate both evidence to your claims and also advice on how I can be a better administrator. To this point though, I have not seen any proof to the claims that I'm a rule breaker or a power abuser- the other administrators here seem to agree.

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    • Terrios528 wrote:
      ThePK wrote:
      Madi, your reasoning is, "I for one support because he has bullied users, broken some rules, abused his power etc."


      -I haven't bullied users, if you're referring to Sandgar, who is a user who has actually broken the rules, and unless you're considering enforcing the rules bullying, then I haven't bullied users in the past.

      -Name one rule on this wiki that I have broken, please.

      -Please inform me how I have abused my power? I haven't seen evidence of this either.


      Anyways, I oppose my demotion. I don't see any justification for the claims against me, I do agree with what Queen Desi said about me, and I hope you guys know all I want is what is best for the wiki.

      To explain


      On the first thing, that was based off of something one user told me in confidentiality, that they felt you were harrassing Sandgar (It isn't bullying due to legal crap), which I felt Madi should mention when she made the thread. (Just as a note, Both parties can harrass each other, and it still be harrassment.

      On the second thing, rudeness, as we talked about in pm.

      On the third thing, I'm guessing that has to do with the vote not immediatly passing, unless I am wrong, if so, someone please correct me.



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    • A user that wishes to remain anon asked me to say this for them

      "He abused his powers by making up rules and dictating the wiki rather than being equal to the other users, except with a few extra powers. He has made a few decisions without consent from other admins or the community and keeps dictating on what we can/cant talk about, such as the demotion thing and stuff like that."

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    • Terrios528 wrote: A user that wishes to remain anon asked me to say this for them

      "He abused his powers by making up rules and dictating the wiki rather than being equal to the other users, except with a few extra powers. He has made a few decisions without consent from other admins or the community and keeps dictating on what we can/cant talk about, such as the demotion thing and stuff like that."

      I would like to know which rules he made up, if any, without gathering my and Peace's opinion first?

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    • Flash of Memory wrote:

      Terrios528 wrote: A user that wishes to remain anon asked me to say this for them

      "He abused his powers by making up rules and dictating the wiki rather than being equal to the other users, except with a few extra powers. He has made a few decisions without consent from other admins or the community and keeps dictating on what we can/cant talk about, such as the demotion thing and stuff like that."

      I would like to know which rules he made up, if any, without gathering my and Peace's opinion first?

      That's just it, he needs more than your opinion, rules have such a large influence on the community, they need to be ran by it before being implemented.

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    • Flash of Memory wrote:

      Terrios528 wrote: A user that wishes to remain anon asked me to say this for them

      "He abused his powers by making up rules and dictating the wiki rather than being equal to the other users, except with a few extra powers. He has made a few decisions without consent from other admins or the community and keeps dictating on what we can/cant talk about, such as the demotion thing and stuff like that."

      I would like to know which rules he made up, if any, without gathering my and Peace's opinion first?


      It should be ran by all admins, not just you and Peace

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    • Welp, I saw this coming a mile away ;-;

      Congrats in 'trying' to accuse someone publicly...Again. Come on,

      1. You guys talk about ThePK harassing someone but he doesn't ;-;
      2. You guys talk about him accusing someone but he doesn't
      3. You think he's a bad guy....He's my friend ;~;

      4. All he wants to do is take care of the Wikia.

      5. And now, creating False claims about an innocent guy(Like that incident in Community Central when Sandgar came and started there) who tries to help out as much as he can. (And please don't say he hasn't done enough ;-;)

      Guys, ThePK's actually a really sweet guy around the wikia searching for someone to help or make someone laugh ^-^ Trust me, this guy's really good with jokes. The reason why ThePK is our admin here is because he's the only one who makes the toughest of choices, he takes it up to himself to suffer all what others have done and try to solve it in someway, and for that, I'm really happy he's here (づ。◕‿‿◕。)づ You should be too buds and for me, stay awesome ---Ditto CreeperBot 16:09, June 24, 2016 (UTC)

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    • Ditto, I hope this doesn't seem rude, because it's not meant to be, but what exactly was the point of using all those fonts, it makes it hard to read for some users.

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    • Thank you for your support Ditto! I hope people realize that no decisions in question were made without consulting other administrators first.

      Stay awesome Ditto!

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    • ThePK wrote: Thank you for your support Ditto! I hope people realize that no decisions in question were made without consulting other administrators first.

      Stay awesome Ditto!

      I bring up my old argument again, administrators aren't everything, in fact, they are exactly the same as any other user, only with a few added abilities to help them support the community.

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    • ThePK wrote:
      Thank you for your support Ditto! I hope people realize that no decisions in question were made without consulting other administrators first.

      Stay awesome Ditto!


      During the elections stuff, you promoted Gage to the level below admin. This was not discussed with I or Peace, as I remember Peace asking me "I thought we agreed not to do anything till we talked about it?" Or something like that.

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    • Was that a permanent decision? As far as I recall that was a temporary situation that was discussed among the admins before being implemented. I, in no way, was the only one of the admins behind the implementation of the so-called trial period.

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    • Outside of some of the Sand stuff (which is presented way too one sided here,) and being semi-inactive he's still a fairly good admin.

      I propose that the solution here is to demote him from B-Crat to normal admin.

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    • ThePK wrote: Thank you for your support Ditto! I hope people realize that no decisions in question were made without consulting other administrators first.

      Stay awesome Ditto!

      The community has your back, no worries ^-^

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    • ThePK wrote:
      Was that a permanent decision? As far as I recall that was a temporary situation that was discussed among the admins before being implemented. I, in no way, was the only one of the admins behind the implementation of the so-called trial period.


      Peace and I talked about it, but we didnt want to do anything till we all talked about it. Peace was suprised when you did that, and i never heard about it till you did. And even now, He is still the level below admin. And even if it was temporary, you should have discussed it with your fellow B-crat.

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    • I know this is my first edit, but, from what you all said, I agree with the people who support. And PK, if you think you're not abusing your power, take the word of the people you've effected. You might also want to give those people a second chance that have a pretty long sentence. And you might want to take this as an intervention.

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    • From what I know, I oppose PK's demotion. PK has done nothing but try his best from the start. I know what he does may seem a bit biased and stuff but from personal experience, he's doing what he thinks is best for the wikia.

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    • TheFinnishGamer wrote:
      I know this is my first edit, but, from what you all said, I agree with the people who support. And PK, if you think you're not abusing your power, take the word of the people you've effected. You might also want to give those people a second chance that have a pretty long sentence. And you might want to take this as an intervention.


      Okay just a question. Do you even know the full situation? (I'm not being rude, just asking)

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    • YourDescoleFangirl wrote:
      TheFinnishGamer wrote:
      I know this is my first edit, but, from what you all said, I agree with the people who support. And PK, if you think you're not abusing your power, take the word of the people you've effected. You might also want to give those people a second chance that have a pretty long sentence. And you might want to take this as an intervention.

      Okay just a question. Do you even know the full situation? (I'm not being rude, just asking)

      I've read most of the comments. So yeah. I know what's going on. PK is a target for demotion due to rule breaking, abuse of power and bullied users.

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    • I also love how some of you put that ThePK is rude. I've been on for a long time and haven't seen ThePK be rude even ONCE.

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    • YourDescoleFangirl wrote:
      I also love how some of you put that ThePK is rude. I've been on for a long time and haven't seen ThePK be rude even ONCE.


      When a mod tells you that they would have kicked him for something like that, I think there is ground for people Saying he was rude.

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    • There's also tons of people who are just opposing because others are just opposing. 

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    • Twizzzler wrote:
      There's also tons of people who are just opposing because others are just opposing. 


      Yeah. Its sad. People should make their own descions, not after what other people said.

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    • Terrios528 wrote:
      Twizzzler wrote:
      There's also tons of people who are just opposing because others are just opposing. 

      Yeah. Its sad. People should make their own descions, not after what other people said.


      Tbh I think it's the supporting side


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    • I will be writing my opinion on this tomorrow. But something I would like to say now: I do not see "He's trying to do what is best for the wiki" or anything like that as a solid argument for why he shouldn't be demoted.

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    • lol, i mistyped that. I meant people who are supporting his demotion, not opposing o_o my bad.

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    • Terrios528 wrote:

      YourDescoleFangirl wrote:
      I also love how some of you put that ThePK is rude. I've been on for a long time and haven't seen ThePK be rude even ONCE.


      When a mod tells you that they would have kicked him for something like that, I think there is ground for people Saying he was rude.

      On that note, I don't think that the subjective opinion of a moderator is grounds to support demotion.

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    • ThePK wrote:

      Terrios528 wrote:

      YourDescoleFangirl wrote:
      I also love how some of you put that ThePK is rude. I've been on for a long time and haven't seen ThePK be rude even ONCE.

      When a mod tells you that they would have kicked him for something like that, I think there is ground for people Saying he was rude.

      On that note, I don't think that the subjective opinion of a moderator is grounds to support demotion.


      That isn't what was being said. I was simply explaining part of one of the arguments

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    • The Following is based on my experiences ;-;

      ThePK is one of the most honest and really protective Admins here, along side with Peace who's truly awesome. Both of them have done alot in their part to take care of this Wikia, apparently the supporters are judging ThePK about 'What he is?' to the Wikia. I'll tell you ;-;

      ThePK is one of our trusted and yet really honest admins here who's done way more than just to take it to himself, he's possible one of the most courageous admins because of the tough choices he makes, Terry in no guard can make those choices and Valk(Not insulting you bud ;-;) can't make it out by herself, Valk and Terry were chosen as Temp admins and as said on that previously failed demotion thread, they were going to decide whether to re-elect them again, no doubt we all know who will win and who will lose .-. Not bringing up a new demotion thread of course, but they were chosen to be 'Admins' and admins for a reason. Every person plays a part on this Wikia, not everyone should be the same and HECK IF YOU WANT TO JUDGE THAT ;-; Every person has their strength and weaknesses but to use it against them is something not tolerated .-. Let's just try to be nice and reach a civil conclusion that doesn't require someone siphoning our information and personal stuff. I got blocked just for wanting personal space and where did that lead me? answers in my chat ban log and description is rudeness, before banning someone for wanting space, think where that might lead you in your life. The only people here who actually make the toughest of choices and use their soul and heart just to serve what's right for who's good and who's chaos is Peace and ThePK. Demotion of such brilliant amazing people, where will that lead anyone?

      I get a warning for almost anything I type because some people want to make the rules on the spot there. I recommend a total review on the rules and make em based on the awesome laws of other Wikis ^-^

      More Rules = Less Drama made by folks :3

      DittoCreeperBot 06:51, June 25, 2016 (UTC)

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    • I haven't seen PK be rude, or abuse power, and i believe he is a good admin. So i oppose his demotion. 

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    • Darthwatch789 wrote: I haven't seen PK be rude, or abuse power, and i believe he is a good admin. So i oppose his demotion. 

      The rudeness happened on another wiki where he is an admin, he called a user out on being banned here.

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    • We have failed to view any such call 'rudeness' and what not to the fact that the supporting party has failed to provide evidence.

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    • I oppose this since I think ThePk is one of the most important admins here in my opinion.

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    • Mr Creeper500 wrote:

      Darthwatch789 wrote: I haven't seen PK be rude, or abuse power, and i believe he is a good admin. So i oppose his demotion. 

      The rudeness happened on another wiki where he is an admin, he called a user out on being banned here.


      Why are you bringing other wiki problems here?


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    • YourDescoleFangirl wrote:

      Mr Creeper500 wrote:

      Darthwatch789 wrote: I haven't seen PK be rude, or abuse power, and i believe he is a good admin. So i oppose his demotion. 

      The rudeness happened on another wiki where he is an admin, he called a user out on being banned here.


      Why are you bringing other wiki problems here?


      There's a rule in this wiki's policy stating you're not allowed to bully users, even if it's on different wikis.

      And Ditto, here is your proof:

      [05:45:56] [CHAT] Sandgar: Hi ThePK [05:45:57] [CHAT] MechaKingGhidorah789: im patient [05:45:58] [CHAT] Arbitrary Labby: http://badpearl.tumblr.com/post/144734047143 [05:45:59] [CHAT] MechaKingGhidorah789: ssort of [05:46:00] [CHAT] Link the crystalhog: *suprise energy bomb toss* [05:46:00] [CHAT] Arbitrary Labby: how I woke up [05:46:10] [CHAT] Link the crystalhog: revenge! [05:46:11] [CHAT] ThePK: o/ Sandgar [05:46:16] [CHAT] ThePK: a user banned from the GF wiki [05:46:21] [CHAT] ThePK: what are you doing here? [05:46:29] [CHAT] Sandgar: Wow [05:46:38] [CHAT] Hyper EGO: You were banned from the GF wiki? [05:46:41] [CHAT] Kid Danger (Henry Danger): what GF wiki [05:46:42] [CHAT] Hyper EGO: Congrats man [05:46:43] [CHAT] *TheMagicalWizard*: shots fired, PK [05:46:46] [CHAT] Lenhi: Stop [05:46:53] [CHAT] Sandgar: Thanms lenhi [05:47:00] [CHAT] Sandgar: I come here to contribute

      That can also be found here, so please refrain from accusing users of lying in the future without proof of your own.

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    • Mr Creeper500 wrote:

      YourDescoleFangirl wrote:

      Mr Creeper500 wrote:

      Darthwatch789 wrote: I haven't seen PK be rude, or abuse power, and i believe he is a good admin. So i oppose his demotion. 

      The rudeness happened on another wiki where he is an admin, he called a user out on being banned here.


      Why are you bringing other wiki problems here?


      There's a rule in this wiki's policy stating you're not allowed to bully users, even if it's on different wikis.

      And Ditto, here is your proof:

      [05:45:56] [CHAT] Sandgar: Hi ThePK [05:45:57] [CHAT] MechaKingGhidorah789: im patient [05:45:58] [CHAT] Arbitrary Labby: http://badpearl.tumblr.com/post/144734047143 [05:45:59] [CHAT] MechaKingGhidorah789: ssort of [05:46:00] [CHAT] Link the crystalhog: *suprise energy bomb toss* [05:46:00] [CHAT] Arbitrary Labby: how I woke up [05:46:10] [CHAT] Link the crystalhog: revenge! [05:46:11] [CHAT] ThePK: o/ Sandgar [05:46:16] [CHAT] ThePK: a user banned from the GF wiki [05:46:21] [CHAT] ThePK: what are you doing here? [05:46:29] [CHAT] Sandgar: Wow [05:46:38] [CHAT] Hyper EGO: You were banned from the GF wiki? [05:46:41] [CHAT] Kid Danger (Henry Danger): what GF wiki [05:46:42] [CHAT] Hyper EGO: Congrats man [05:46:43] [CHAT] *TheMagicalWizard*: shots fired, PK [05:46:46] [CHAT] Lenhi: Stop [05:46:53] [CHAT] Sandgar: Thanms lenhi [05:47:00] [CHAT] Sandgar: I come here to contribute

      That can also be found here, so please refrain from accusing users of lying in the future without proof of your own.

      How is that being rude? ThePK just said that Sandgar got banned from this wiki.

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    • YourDescoleFangirl wrote:

      Mr Creeper500 wrote:

      YourDescoleFangirl wrote:

      Mr Creeper500 wrote:

      Darthwatch789 wrote: I haven't seen PK be rude, or abuse power, and i believe he is a good admin. So i oppose his demotion. 

      The rudeness happened on another wiki where he is an admin, he called a user out on being banned here.


      Why are you bringing other wiki problems here?


      There's a rule in this wiki's policy stating you're not allowed to bully users, even if it's on different wikis.

      And Ditto, here is your proof:

      [05:45:56] [CHAT] Sandgar: Hi ThePK [05:45:57] [CHAT] MechaKingGhidorah789: im patient [05:45:58] [CHAT] Arbitrary Labby: http://badpearl.tumblr.com/post/144734047143 [05:45:59] [CHAT] MechaKingGhidorah789: ssort of [05:46:00] [CHAT] Link the crystalhog: *suprise energy bomb toss* [05:46:00] [CHAT] Arbitrary Labby: how I woke up [05:46:10] [CHAT] Link the crystalhog: revenge! [05:46:11] [CHAT] ThePK: o/ Sandgar [05:46:16] [CHAT] ThePK: a user banned from the GF wiki [05:46:21] [CHAT] ThePK: what are you doing here? [05:46:29] [CHAT] Sandgar: Wow [05:46:38] [CHAT] Hyper EGO: You were banned from the GF wiki? [05:46:41] [CHAT] Kid Danger (Henry Danger): what GF wiki [05:46:42] [CHAT] Hyper EGO: Congrats man [05:46:43] [CHAT] *TheMagicalWizard*: shots fired, PK [05:46:46] [CHAT] Lenhi: Stop [05:46:53] [CHAT] Sandgar: Thanms lenhi [05:47:00] [CHAT] Sandgar: I come here to contribute

      That can also be found here, so please refrain from accusing users of lying in the future without proof of your own.

      How is that being rude? ThePK just said that Sandgar got banned from this wiki.

      It wasn't called for since all he did at that point was join chat, and ThePK even got warned by another admin for it, seeing as it counts a singling out.

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    • Mr Creeper500 wrote:

      YourDescoleFangirl wrote:

      Mr Creeper500 wrote:

      YourDescoleFangirl wrote:


      Mr Creeper500 wrote:

      Darthwatch789 wrote: I haven't seen PK be rude, or abuse power, and i believe he is a good admin. So i oppose his demotion. 

      The rudeness happened on another wiki where he is an admin, he called a user out on being banned here.


      Why are you bringing other wiki problems here?


      There's a rule in this wiki's policy stating you're not allowed to bully users, even if it's on different wikis.

      And Ditto, here is your proof:

      [05:45:56] [CHAT] Sandgar: Hi ThePK [05:45:57] [CHAT] MechaKingGhidorah789: im patient [05:45:58] [CHAT] Arbitrary Labby: http://badpearl.tumblr.com/post/144734047143 [05:45:59] [CHAT] MechaKingGhidorah789: ssort of [05:46:00] [CHAT] Link the crystalhog: *suprise energy bomb toss* [05:46:00] [CHAT] Arbitrary Labby: how I woke up [05:46:10] [CHAT] Link the crystalhog: revenge! [05:46:11] [CHAT] ThePK: o/ Sandgar [05:46:16] [CHAT] ThePK: a user banned from the GF wiki [05:46:21] [CHAT] ThePK: what are you doing here? [05:46:29] [CHAT] Sandgar: Wow [05:46:38] [CHAT] Hyper EGO: You were banned from the GF wiki? [05:46:41] [CHAT] Kid Danger (Henry Danger): what GF wiki [05:46:42] [CHAT] Hyper EGO: Congrats man [05:46:43] [CHAT] *TheMagicalWizard*: shots fired, PK [05:46:46] [CHAT] Lenhi: Stop [05:46:53] [CHAT] Sandgar: Thanms lenhi [05:47:00] [CHAT] Sandgar: I come here to contribute

      That can also be found here, so please refrain from accusing users of lying in the future without proof of your own.

      How is that being rude? ThePK just said that Sandgar got banned from this wiki.

      It wasn't called for since all he did at that point was join chat, and ThePK even got warned by another admin for it, seeing as it counts a singling out.

      "TheMagicalWizard*: shots fired, PK [05:46:46] [CHAT] Lenhi: Stop" Maybe Lenhi was talking to MagicalWizard. Or Maybe Tuck. I just have a different perspective of it. You know?

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    • YourDescoleFangirl wrote:
      Mr Creeper500 wrote:

      YourDescoleFangirl wrote:


      Mr Creeper500 wrote:

      YourDescoleFangirl wrote:


      Mr Creeper500 wrote:

      Darthwatch789 wrote: I haven't seen PK be rude, or abuse power, and i believe he is a good admin. So i oppose his demotion. 

      The rudeness happened on another wiki where he is an admin, he called a user out on being banned here.


      Why are you bringing other wiki problems here?


      There's a rule in this wiki's policy stating you're not allowed to bully users, even if it's on different wikis.

      And Ditto, here is your proof:

      [05:45:56] [CHAT] Sandgar: Hi ThePK [05:45:57] [CHAT] MechaKingGhidorah789: im patient [05:45:58] [CHAT] Arbitrary Labby: http://badpearl.tumblr.com/post/144734047143 [05:45:59] [CHAT] MechaKingGhidorah789: ssort of [05:46:00] [CHAT] Link the crystalhog: *suprise energy bomb toss* [05:46:00] [CHAT] Arbitrary Labby: how I woke up [05:46:10] [CHAT] Link the crystalhog: revenge! [05:46:11] [CHAT] ThePK: o/ Sandgar [05:46:16] [CHAT] ThePK: a user banned from the GF wiki [05:46:21] [CHAT] ThePK: what are you doing here? [05:46:29] [CHAT] Sandgar: Wow [05:46:38] [CHAT] Hyper EGO: You were banned from the GF wiki? [05:46:41] [CHAT] Kid Danger (Henry Danger): what GF wiki [05:46:42] [CHAT] Hyper EGO: Congrats man [05:46:43] [CHAT] *TheMagicalWizard*: shots fired, PK [05:46:46] [CHAT] Lenhi: Stop [05:46:53] [CHAT] Sandgar: Thanms lenhi [05:47:00] [CHAT] Sandgar: I come here to contribute

      That can also be found here, so please refrain from accusing users of lying in the future without proof of your own.

      How is that being rude? ThePK just said that Sandgar got banned from this wiki.
      It wasn't called for since all he did at that point was join chat, and ThePK even got warned by another admin for it, seeing as it counts a singling out.
      "TheMagicalWizard*: shots fired, PK [05:46:46] [CHAT] Lenhi: Stop" Maybe Lenhi was talking to MagicalWizard. Or Maybe Tuck. I just have a different perspective of it. You know?


      I still think that is to both of them.

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    • While ThePK did initiate the topic about Sandgar being banned during that one instance, my message was intended as a general warning to those in the SU Wiki chat talking about it.

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    • Ditto Creeper Bot wrote:
      We have failed to view any such call 'rudeness' and what not to the fact that the supporting party has failed to provide evidence.



      Let's break everything down again, plus my personal opinions.


      The first thing, the bullying/harrassment claim. This was told to me by a user who wishes to stay anon, but I'll sum up what they said. They said that ThePK attacked Sandgar, Sandgar attacked back, and ThePK and few oldies (don't know who, they remained Unnamed). I checked this with another user, and they said basically the sames thing. So I DO believe the harrassment claims. I was going to bring this up to Peace, but she got busy, so this comes out now. Harrassment is a ToU break.

      The second thing, rule breaking. There's the above thing obviously, and rudeness in chat and on threads. I have seen that myself, and can testify to that fact.


      The third thing, Abuse of Power. You did not ask Peace or I about making Gage ConMod, and he is still a ConMod. You acted alone. Even if it was temporary, I think they should at least be discussed with your fellow B-crat, Peace. There's also trying to have a new rule effect old elections, and having the admins vote whether a vote passes (I didn't see anywhere else where that happened, please correct me on this if I am wrong)

      Also.  I keep seeing the reason that "He's just trying to do what is best for the wiki" That, in no way, is a reason for not. I've heard people call this a war and you know what? Wars were started over people trying to do good for their country, but not. As both Robert Wilson and Saint Benedict of Clairvaux said. (and permit me to say this, as I'm using the place not the curse) "Hell is paved with good intentions"

      And finally, something that is important to me: How he handled the Sandgar situation. There is the top two things above, and just a slight immaturity to how he has acted. Note, Tuck is not an immature person, just has done immature things during this imo. 

      I know what I told you in PM Tuck, but atm, due to all I said here, and thinking things over, I Support the demotion.

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    • Mr Creeper500 wrote:

      YourDescoleFangirl wrote:

      Mr Creeper500 wrote:

      YourDescoleFangirl wrote:

      Mr Creeper500 wrote:

      Darthwatch7 I haven't seen PK be rude, or abuse power, and i believe he is a good admin. So i oppose his demotion. 

      The rudeness happened on another wiki where he is an admin, he called a user out on being banned here.


      Why are you bringing other wiki problems here?


      There's a rule in this wiki's policy stating you're not allowed to bully users, even if it's on different wikis.

      And Ditto, here is your proof:

      [05:45:56] [CHAT] Sandgar: Hi ThePK [05:45:57] [CHAT] MechaKingGhidorah789: im patient [05:45:58] [CHAT] Arbitrary Labby: http://badpearl.tumblr.com/post/144734047143 [05:45:59] [CHAT] MechaKingGhidorah789: ssort of [05:46:00] [CHAT] Link the crystalhog: *suprise energy bomb toss* [05:46:00] [CHAT] Arbitrary Labby: how I woke up [05:46:10] [CHAT] Link the crystalhog: revenge! [05:46:11] [CHAT] ThePK: o/ Sandgar [05:46:16] [CHAT] ThePK: a user banned from the GF wiki [05:46:21] [CHAT] ThePK: what are you doing here? [05:46:29] [CHAT] Sandgar: Wow [05:46:38] [CHAT] Hyper EGO: You were banned from the GF wiki? [05:46:41] [CHAT] Kid Danger (Henry Danger): what GF wiki [05:46:42] [CHAT] Hyper EGO: Congrats man [05:46:43] [CHAT] *TheMagicalWizard*: shots fired, PK [05:46:46] [CHAT] Lenhi: Stop [05:46:53] [CHAT] Sandgar: Thanms lenhi [05:47:00] [CHAT] Sandgar: I come here to contribute

      That can also be found here, so please refrain from accusing users of lying in the future without proof of your own.

      How is that being rude? ThePK just said that Sandgar got banned from this wiki.

      It wasn't called for since all he did at that point was join chat, and ThePK even got warned by another admin for it, seeing as it counts a singling out.


      As Lenhi, the admin in question, said on this thread he wasn't warning me. So I'm not sure how that argument works Mr Creeper500.

      About this me attacking Sandgar situation, I'm really not sure where this story comes from. I know that Terri said this user wanted to remain anonymous but I don't see any proof that this ever happened. As far as I'm concerned it didn't happen- and if evidence is presented I'm sure whatever the situation was was just a misunderstanding.

      I talked about the ConMod situation with Peace yesterday, she wasn't sure whether or not we had discussed the situation before it happened or not. She also said that she may have forgotten our conversation about it before she talked to terri about it.

      Anyways, I just want to thank other people on this thread for their continued support. I hope that we can all move past this drama and I look forward to a great summer on the wiki.

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    • ThePK wrote:

      Mr Creeper500 wrote:


      YourDescoleFangirl wrote:


      Mr Creeper500 wrote:

      YourDescoleFangirl wrote:



      Mr Creeper500 wrote:

      Darthwatch7 I haven't seen PK be rude, or abuse power, and i believe he is a good admin. So i oppose his demotion. 

      The rudeness happened on another wiki where he is an admin, he called a user out on being banned here.


      Why are you bringing other wiki problems here?


      There's a rule in this wiki's policy stating you're not allowed to bully users, even if it's on different wikis.

      And Ditto, here is your proof:

      [05:45:56] [CHAT] Sandgar: Hi ThePK [05:45:57] [CHAT] MechaKingGhidorah789: im patient [05:45:58] [CHAT] Arbitrary Labby: http://badpearl.tumblr.com/post/144734047143 [05:45:59] [CHAT] MechaKingGhidorah789: ssort of [05:46:00] [CHAT] Link the crystalhog: *suprise energy bomb toss* [05:46:00] [CHAT] Arbitrary Labby: how I woke up [05:46:10] [CHAT] Link the crystalhog: revenge! [05:46:11] [CHAT] ThePK: o/ Sandgar [05:46:16] [CHAT] ThePK: a user banned from the GF wiki [05:46:21] [CHAT] ThePK: what are you doing here? [05:46:29] [CHAT] Sandgar: Wow [05:46:38] [CHAT] Hyper EGO: You were banned from the GF wiki? [05:46:41] [CHAT] Kid Danger (Henry Danger): what GF wiki [05:46:42] [CHAT] Hyper EGO: Congrats man [05:46:43] [CHAT] *TheMagicalWizard*: shots fired, PK [05:46:46] [CHAT] Lenhi: Stop [05:46:53] [CHAT] Sandgar: Thanms lenhi [05:47:00] [CHAT] Sandgar: I come here to contribute

      That can also be found here, so please refrain from accusing users of lying in the future without proof of your own.

      How is that being rude? ThePK just said that Sandgar got banned from this wiki.
      It wasn't called for since all he did at that point was join chat, and ThePK even got warned by another admin for it, seeing as it counts a singling out.
      As Lenhi, the admin in question, said on this thread he wasn't warning me. So I'm not sure how that argument works Mr Creeper500.

      About this me attacking Sandgar situation, I'm really not sure where this story comes from. I know that Terri said this user wanted to remain anonymous but I don't see any proof that this ever happened. As far as I'm concerned it didn't happen- and if evidence is presented I'm sure whatever the situation was was just a misunderstanding.

      I talked about the ConMod situation with Peace yesterday, she wasn't sure whether or not we had discussed the situation before it happened or not. She also said that she may have forgotten our conversation about it before she talked to terri about it.

      Anyways, I just want to thank other people on this thread for their continued support. I hope that we can all move past this drama and I look forward to a great summer on the wiki.


      Lenhi said they were warning everyone. It was a general warning to everyone talking about the GF Ban stuff, which includes you.

      About the second thing, I double checked it with another user, so I am not so sure it was a misunderstanding/it didn't happen. Also, Testimony is used in courts as something that can be used to indeit someone of a crime, so in this case, I believe that the burden of proof lies with you, as you are the one "on trial."

      And on the ConMod situation, I checked through Peace and I's Skype logs. She had no idea.  I can post the logs to your Skype if you'd like me to Tuck. Also, from what Peace said, I don't believe so. Her answers were concise and sure of what she was saying. As Peace said to me, she can't be sure either way.

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