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I noticed that you changed all of the demons' pronouns to "it". Did you just do this of your own accord, or was there a discussion that I missed?
While I know that the demons do not have the same genders as animals, I thought we agreed that we would use "he" or "she" for those that have implied gender (i.e. voice). I'm thinking here of demons such as 8 Ball, Teeth and Pyronica.
Mainly my concern is that we are referring to these other demons as "it", but Bill Cipher is still a "he" on the wiki. But 8 Ball is just as likely as Bill to be referred to as "he".
I think that the rule should be: if we do not have any indication of the gender, use "it". However, if the demon's voice is identifiable as human, we use the gender of the voice. We still wouldn't place them in any gender categories; we'd just use the pronouns for convention. Maybe we'll need a voting thread.
In Bill's dimension, there are 14 billion genders, thus their genders are unconfirmed. Just like on Bulbapedia, where we don't randomly assume Pokémon genders based on behaviour patterns. Unless the Pokémon's gender is confirmed in the original Japanese version of the anime, or there is a noticeable gender difference, we use "it" on Bulbapedia to refer to the Pokémon.
Right, but the demons have shown that, when speaking English, they use gender pronouns (as Bill is a "he"). So it's safe to assume that those with identifiable human voices will go by their respective pronouns. Obviously we wouldn't put them in the gender categories; we'd just use the pronouns for convention.
I added the "it" to avoid this whole gender issue. Obviously this did not work. Personalty, I'd rather call them by their stereotypical pronoun. But I was thinking on waiting until next episode because they might be called be some sort of pronoun. Seeing that Xanthar and Pyronica are both seen on the floor probably due to getting beat up by Gideon and his goons or Bill. I'm open to other suggestions. A vote would have to be discussed with an admin.
"What they look like" means what gender they appear to look like? I never said the voice actors wouldn't be reliable. In fact now that you say that, the voice actor would be a bad idea, Grenda is voiced by a man...
Well, that is a special case, as Grenda states herself to be a girl. What specific things do you mean by "what they appear to look like"? I would assume facial hair in the case of Hectorgon and hourglass figure in the case of Pyronica, but who says that these demons from a complete different dimension would have those same indentyfying characteristics as humans?
"Ladies and gentleman" is a common phrase used when talking to multiple people at the beginning of a sentence, but it doesn't give out the exact genders of the demons, so what Bill said wouldn't really help here.
Mr B Natural wrote:
I still think we should go by voice.
Look... We're not going by voice actor. We have never done this for any character on the wikia and I see no point in starting now. Besides, this question was ask to Alex already Feel free to ask him again, re-tweet or favorite the question to get his attention.
We are using the canon genders, not what their genders would be in real life. I see no point in playing by ear, as genders don't work that way in Bill's dimension. Alex Hirsch has decided for there to be 14 billion genders in Bill's dimension by making that post. I see no point in going any further than that.
Note that I don't feel strongly about my opinion, as it is obviously debatable. I'm just saying that if it were up to me, we would go by voice. But you have a good argument too, so I'm willing to have it your way also.