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  • I "translated" the ancient wall of the episode, I don't know if anyone did that or not.

    I used the Author's symbol cipher, because the Bill's one was just random letters that may make sense to him, as it was mentioned by Ford that he said the words to summon Bill

    What I got was "It started with a bad dreams witch became nightmares. I was Foo(unknow symbol)ish, I wanted answers, I painted the symbols I said the words when gravity falls and the earth becomes sky fear the beast with (unknow symbol)ust one eye"

    I know the words foolish and just are obvious but the symbol representing the letter L in foolish and J in just that was on the wall didn't appear in the Author's cipher, but in Bill's:  (V)

    [[File:Capturar.png|thumb|left|Letter V on Bill's cipher]]



    might be looking wrong but that's it.

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    • You're right. It isn't the symbol for "J", but I think it's an animation error. I think it could be the author's letter for "p". In a symbol substitution cipher, you can't have one image/symbol represent more than one letter. And, there is no reason why only one letter in the whole message would be in Bill's symbol (unless he was just messing, but even so that was before he was summoned)

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    • Actually the symbol is available.  And I didn't see any part that said "I said the words."

      http://theories-gravityfalls.tumblr.com/post/128715622740/i-decoded-the-wall-it-started-with-bad-dreams

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    • OnlyOnTuesdays88 wrote:
      Actually the symbol is available.  And I didn't see any part that said "I said the words."

      http://theories-gravityfalls.tumblr.com/post/128715622740/i-decoded-the-wall-it-started-with-bad-dreams

      I used the Ian Worrel art background image.

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    • Peacexfreedom wrote:
      OnlyOnTuesdays88 wrote:
      Actually the symbol is available.  And I didn't see any part that said "I said the words."

      http://theories-gravityfalls.tumblr.com/post/128715622740/i-decoded-the-wall-it-started-with-bad-dreams

      I used the Ian Worrel art background image.

      Oh, so that one has more words?

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    • OnlyOnTuesdays88 wrote:
      Peacexfreedom wrote:
      OnlyOnTuesdays88 wrote:
      Actually the symbol is available.  And I didn't see any part that said "I said the words."

      http://theories-gravityfalls.tumblr.com/post/128715622740/i-decoded-the-wall-it-started-with-bad-dreams

      I used the Ian Worrel art background image.
      Oh, so that one has more words?

      If the person who translated the wall using that screenshot, yes, because there's things cutted out of the image there and they might be presuming words because there are parts that the shadow covers and gets hard to see what symbol is, at least in the Ian Worrel image is that way.

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    • AngelicTurret wrote:
      OnlyOnTuesdays88 wrote:
      Peacexfreedom wrote:
      OnlyOnTuesdays88 wrote:
      Actually the symbol is available.  And I didn't see any part that said "I said the words."

      http://theories-gravityfalls.tumblr.com/post/128715622740/i-decoded-the-wall-it-started-with-bad-dreams

      I used the Ian Worrel art background image.
      Oh, so that one has more words?
      If the person who translated the wall using that screenshot, yes, because there's things cutted out of the image there and they might be presuming words because there are parts that the shadow covers and gets hard to see what symbol is, at least in the Ian Worrel image is that way.

      Ah. Ok.

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    • I was't gonna enter this one, but since the "J" is the same as the "V" in Bill's Cipher shouldn't we just add it there. I have contacted GFC but still no answer.

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    • Topdarlingwh wrote:
      I was't gonna enter this one, but since the "J" is the same as the "V" in Bill's Cipher shouldn't we just add it there. I have contacted GFC but still no answer.

      But the V in Bill's cipher appears as twice in the wall and using the Author's cipher, that dosn't have that symbol, you'll have two words that are missing a letter Foo( )ish and ( )ust. These two words, on the wall, are using the "V" Bill's cipher symbol and that's the odd thing

      Two letters meaning the same symbol can't happen. Hope I was not super confusing

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    • Why can't it happen it's just taking a letter from the other chipper? Look at the "U" in Bill's and the "A" in the Author's there the same.

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    • Topdarlingwh wrote:
      Why can't it happen it's just taking a letter from the other chipper? Look at the "U" in Bill's and the "A" in the Author's there the same.

      But not in the same cipher, the Author's and Bill's cipher are very similiar.

      Sorry It got confusing, Two letters meaning the same symbol, in the same cipher, can't happen. 

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    • AngelicTurret wrote:
      Topdarlingwh wrote:
      Why can't it happen it's just taking a letter from the other chipper? Look at the "U" in Bill's and the "A" in the Author's there the same.
      But not in the same cipher, the Author's and Bill's cipher are very similiar.

      Sorry It got confusing, Two letters meaning the same symbol, in the same cipher, can't happen. 

      But thats not the problem anymore, I went to see the cipher again and noticied that L already has a symbol for it, so I guess was animation error, like Peacexfreedom said.

      Which leaves us with maybe the "V" symbol in Bill's cipher being the J in Author's cipher???

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    • That is what I was trying to say the "V" in the Bill cipher is the new "J" in the Author Cipher. Similar to the U and A example I gave. I just wanted to know if that was correct before modifying the image for the "J" in the Author cipher

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    • Topdarlingwh wrote:
      That is what I was trying to say the "V" in the Bill cipher is the new "J" in the Author Cipher. Similar to the U and A example I gave. I just wanted to know if that was correct before modifying the image for the "J" in the Author cipher

      Oh! Sorry for the confusion, my english is not that great ^^

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    • Ok I guess this concludes it I'll get working of fixing the font. If there are any objections time to speak out lol.

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    • Wait I looked at the image again should I just copy paste it or make it look like the other Author fonts. Because they look very similar, almost identical.

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    • Actually never mind I'll just rip it form the episode, make a temporary pic until GFC makes a font.

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    • So, problem solved? (Just want to ask straight out)

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    • Yes exactly, still working on the image though.

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    • Awesome. I'm glad this was resolved. How funny would it be if one of the animators saw this thread and then facepalmed at the animation error.

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    • File:Cipher.jpg
      I think Topdarlingwh is correct with their theory of the "V" being the "J".

      Though I have not heard of Bill having his own version of ciphers.

      Is it possible (Unless the image I am using is it.) for someone to give me a link to it?

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    • Ra-pocky wrote:
      File:Cipher.jpg
      I think Topdarlingwh is correct with their theory of the "V" being the "J".

      Though I have not heard of Bill having his own version of ciphers.

      Is it possible (Unless the image I am using is it.) for someone to give me a link to it?

      Click "strange symbols ". It's the image on the right.

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    • @Peacexfreedom

      I've upload a temporary image of the letter J and the cipher table. This should do until GFC makes a new on his web site.

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    • Peacexfreedom wrote:
      Ra-pocky wrote:
      File:Cipher.jpg
      I think Topdarlingwh is correct with their theory of the "V" being the "J".'Though I have not heard of Bill having his own version of ciphers.

      Is it possible (Unless the image I am using is it.) for someone to give me a link to it?

      Click "strange symbols ". It's the image on the right.

      Thanks, friend.


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    • Topdarlingwh wrote:
      @Peacexfreedom

      I've upload a temporary image of the letter J and the cipher table. This should do until GFC makes a new on his web site.

      Kay. Wait a sec, is this really the first time we've ever seen "J"? If so, that just means that whoever put the full list of the Author's symbols together is wrong. I know Bill's one is from the DisneyXD website, but not clear on the author's.

      Well, now I feel like an idiot lol. I know that Bill's symbols and the author's symbols are the same, just for different letters, so it would make sense to have that (the one you posted) the "J" (since the one we had before wasn't one on Bill's list)

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    • As a note, I'd like to point out that we keep calling it "The Author's" symbol substitution cipher, but the fact that the same cipher was used on the wall makes me wonder if Ford "borrowed" the code from elsewhere.....Hmmm, makes me think.

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    • Not sure I mean he found it before meeting Bill, at least that is what we are lead to believe for the moment.

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    • He did find it before meeting Bill, but I wonder if he used it in the Journals before reading it on the wall. It is highly likely that he saw it, thought "that looks cool, I should use it" and went with it. I guess I just overcomplicate things

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    • Does this have to count as a goof? Even if it's an animation error, that doesn't mean it's an in-universe goof. A goof is an inconsistency that can't be explained with reasonable logic (not far-fetched or relying on speculation). This "goof" can be explained quite simply: whoever wrote it made a typo. It happens.

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    • It's a production error thus a goof. See this example on the List of Mabel's sweaters.

      "Near the end of "Gideon Rises," Mabel is seen wearing a purple version of her usual pink shooting star sweater. This is currently presumed as a production error."

      P.S. Probably the one of the few rare "legitimate goofs" on that very absurd page.

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    • But isn't an animation error or a typo by definition a goof? A goof is a mistake. So, if the animators or someone made a mistake that led to an inconsistency (such as when an object is miscolored), then it is a "goof" on the animator's (or whoever did it's) part, but a goof nonetheless

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    • However. Looking back at previous episodes and the Guide to Mystery and Nonstop Fun, it seems we haven't actually seen the letter "J" used in the author's symbol substitution cipher yet. I don't know where the "J", "Q" and "Z" symbols (on the reference wheel) are from. I know the Bill symbol substitution cipher is from the DisneyXD website, but I'm not sure of the source for the author's.

      I'm not convinced it's a goof as much as a discrepancy between an assumed symbol and the acutal one. (Most of the symbols used in Bill's cipher are the exact sames ones as used in the Author's, and vice versa, with only 5 being different, but three of those different ones haven't been used yet, so we can't confirm the symbols. But the one we originally assumed was "J" was not seen in Bill's cipher, so it makes less sense to see in it the author's wheel.)

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    • The reaming letters "Q" and "Z" are place holders made by GFC (The Mystery in Gravity Falls).

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    • They could be erased, I mean I see no harm in that.

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    • Yeah, that's probably what they are and I see no harm in it. Sorry if it came off like I had a problem with it. I totally don't. In fact, I like having something there instead of just a question mark (aka Soos lol) on their reference wheel

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    • There's no problem were all giving our 100% this wiki can be frustrated at times. I'm still trying to adjust from my return. I hope to get back on track soon.

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    • I think we're all a little edit crazy after that last episode. There was a lot to take in, though :)

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    • Tell me about it I wonder what the next episode has in sort lol.

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    • I heard there being something about a nightmare character next episode (apparently Alex posted it. Am trying to find the original post). Either way, no matter what happens, it's gonna rock. I mean, it is Gravity Falls.

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    • It's Darlene, I think there is a link on the page. I really have no idea what could happen with such a character.

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    • I just found it like right before you replied.

      Alright, I think we've made a decent enough tangent. I'm happy to continue talking about this, but I think this is the wrong thread for it (which is totally my bad cuz I steered the conversation in this direction).

      To all users, just to clarify: is there any more debate, discussion or otherwise about the unknown symbol?

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    • Topdarlingwh wrote: It's a production error thus a goof. See this example on the List of Mabel's sweaters.

      "Near the end of "Gideon Rises," Mabel is seen wearing a purple version of her usual pink shooting star sweater. This is currently presumed as a production error."

      P.S. Probably the one of the few rare "legitimate goofs" on that very absurd page.

      That one isn't really a goof either. Why can't Mabel just have different colored sweaters with the same design? We saw in "Little Gift Shop of Horrors" that she does.

      Peacexfreedom wrote: But isn't an animation error or a typo by definition a goof? A goof is a mistake. So, if the animators or someone made a mistake that led to an inconsistency (such as when an object is miscolored), then it is a "goof" on the animator's (or whoever did it's) part, but a goof nonetheless

      When I say someone made a typo I mean someone in universe made a typo.

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    • Mr B Natural wrote:

      Topdarlingwh wrote: It's a production error thus a goof. See this example on the List of Mabel's sweaters.

      "Near the end of "Gideon Rises," Mabel is seen wearing a purple version of her usual pink shooting star sweater. This is currently presumed as a production error."

      P.S. Probably the one of the few rare "legitimate goofs" on that very absurd page.

      That one isn't really a goof either. Why can't Mabel just have different colored sweaters with the same design? We saw in "Little Gift Shop of Horrors" that she does.

      Peacexfreedom wrote: But isn't an animation error or a typo by definition a goof? A goof is a mistake. So, if the animators or someone made a mistake that led to an inconsistency (such as when an object is miscolored), then it is a "goof" on the animator's (or whoever did it's) part, but a goof nonetheless

      When I say someone made a typo I mean someone in universe made a typo.

      Oh, gotcha.

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    • Look this part of the conversation should be over In my opinion.
      1. The typo is a mistake it was not intended to spell "FOOJISH," that makes no sense.
      2. The purple version of her usual pink shooting star sweater goof is currently presumed as a production error, this means until proven. This also was a consensus had since the episode aired.
      Finally I have made all the correct changes in the List of cryptograms for "The Last Mabelcorn" and I have updated the cryptogram section for said episode.
      Sample of the concerning section:

      " Note: The symbol of the cryptogram for the word FOOLISH actually spell 'FOOJISH' this is a production error. Furthermore, the cryptogram can only be completely seen on the background art by Ian Worrel. "


      Once again this should be over and not up for discussion unless Alex say it wasn't a mistake, which I highly doubt.

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