Board Thread:Voting/@comment-5429623-20160408213259/@comment-27101167-20160409170501

AstroPhantom wrote: First off, what Elvis wrote is perfectly on point and states things in a very well-written way.

Second, Sandgar, I'm not sure why you're viewing it the way you do, but if Peace has made too many mistakes to be forgiven correctly, then the whole world is in big trouble. There are many things out there that can't, or are very tough, to forgive correctly, and many of them would make this entire vote seem so pointless (think about what Desi was saying about war), but compared to all those, even if Peace has made too many mistakes, hers would always be forgivable. And even so, she hasn't made too many mistakes. She means well, and everyone deserves a second chance, especially the innocent and remorseful.

As for the grudge, people aren't attacking you, they're just pointing it out because it creates a bias on your part, and that's not fair to Peace to use it against her. Personal vendettas have no place in group decisions like this (or they shouldn't anyway, but unfortunately, corruption exists, so we have to fight against it).

And as for community exclusion on Peace's part, once again: she means well. I would be willing to put a lot of money on a bet to prove that Peace did not lock the pages because she wanted "less work." That's completely wrong. She was simply preparing the wiki for the long-term, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to be prepared. I will concede that the timing of it was poor judgment, but that's because she was thinking years down the line. But that's okay, because it shows her dedication to the wiki. I'm sure if she could go back in time, she would've included users at first (because hindsight is 20/20), but even so, she did include and came to a perfect compromise with the community in the end, and that speaks volumes about her willingness and maturity to allow change, whereas as others might abuse their power and say, "Nope. I'm admin. What I say goes." She did the exact opposite. So yeah, she's made mistakes, but guess what? We're all just sacks of water that can walk and talk and are  all  prone to making mistakes. It's human nature. The real test is how you recover from them, and how you respond to other people's mistakes.

Finally, the vote itself doesn't have to remove anyone (except the truly inactive admins). Peace can stay, and we can still have something "new and fresh" come in. The wiki just needs additional admins, not a replacement. Keeping Peace and adding new admins would be the most beneficial to the wiki in the long run because while, yes, the new admins would probably have a quicker response time (though Peace is not becoming a teacher, Terrios), Peace is the most veteran active admin the wiki has, and her experience and incredible dedication and good intentions for the site will prove beneficial in the long run. (I would personally guarantee that if I could.) All we need is just additional admins. There's room for both. What I got from this was

1. Gage is biased towards Peace and therefore is only doing this because of said Bias.

2. If Peace has made so many mistakes, the world is in trouble, and she should be forgiven for all of them.

3. Peace means well so she shouldn't be punished

4. We don't need to get rid of Peace, just get new Admins.

To counter

1. This has started up due to several things Peace and PK has done, and Gage wasn't the only person to bring it up

2. That isn't how things work Astro. If you forgive when you should punish, I've learned things go down the crapper fast. You are saying we should IGNORE, basically, Peace's past mistakes. This shows that YOU have friend bias towards Peace.

3. The road to heck is paved with good intentions

4. That doesn't fix part of the problem. The problem is, people have done wrong, and need to be punished for it, and have been inactive for various reasons.